Newsweek off the hook?

[tough love]

An internal investigation at the U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, has confirmed several cases of guards mishandling religious material

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... rnational/

Good Job, Newsweek: :wink:

[BSmack]

An internal investigation at the U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, has confirmed several cases of guards mishandling religious material

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... rnational/

Good Job, Newsweek: :wink:

That won't stop Rush, Hannity, Detard et al from crowing about Newsweek till the end of time.

[ElvisMonster]

Looks like the new spin is "So what? Shame on the media for reporting it."

WAT A CONETREE!!!

[Variable]

That won't stop Rush, Hannity, Detard et al from crowing about Newsweek till the end of time.

What they reported was still uncorroborated, speculative, anonymous "new media" bullshit. Newsweek still deserves the assraping they got for being wrong.

Although all of the violations of the Quran listed will surely piss muslims off, none are as bad as trying to flush it down the toilet. I mean, that's like comparing hazing a newbie by giving giving him a noogie and dunking his head in the toilet at a rural AM/PM Mini-mart.

That's why Newsweek still deserves all the negative attention they got. You can't speculate about someone conducting the most heinous of crimes against a religious book anymore than you can about someone possibly being a serial child rapist. Neither is a situation that you can "Ooops!...sorry." your way out of.

[Variable]

I split this into it's own topic since the other thread was at 7 pages already. Besides, the new allegations deserve their own thread.

[Mister Bushice]

I still say that until they stop desecrating our flag by burning it, pissing on the Quran might be a nice return gesture.

[frodo_biguns]

That won't stop Rush, Hannity, Detard et al from crowing about Newsweek till the end of time.

What they reported was still uncorroborated, speculative, anonymous "new media" bullshit. Newsweek still deserves the assraping they got for being wrong.

Although all of the violations of the Quran listed will surely piss muslims off, none are as bad as trying to flush it down the toilet. I mean, that's like comparing hazing a newbie by giving giving him a noogie and dunking his head in the toilet at a rural AM/PM Mini-mart.

That's why Newsweek still deserves all the negative attention they got. You can't speculate about someone conducting the most heinous of crimes against a religious book anymore than you can about someone possibly being a serial child rapist. Neither is a situation that you can "Ooops!...sorry." your way out of.

Fuck them! Fuck them all! Since when did the Qur'an deserve such respect? I tell you when, since Bush took office and the Lieberals and lefties now are embracing religion??????????? Are you fucking kidding me? Where were they when the rag heads were tossing around bibles and Torahs in the streets and burning and spitting on them? I say we round up ever Qur'an and shit on them and broadcast tthe video tot he whole Middle East, then... just nuke the fuckers.

[Variable]

It deserves respect because disrespecting it will cause thousands more to join the ranks of our enemy. Nothing more.

[Bizzarofelice]

It deserves respect because disrespecting it will cause thousands more to join the ranks of our enemy. Nothing more.

Please don't interrupt their attempts at machismo. Let them get it out of their system and get back to their femme lives.

[Diogenes]

It deserves respect because disrespecting it will cause thousands more to join the ranks of our enemy. Nothing more.

That doesn't mean it "deserves respect" per se, merely that treating it as if it does is sensible policy.

And it WAS the policy......

Brigadier-General Jay Hood, the commander of the jail for terrorist suspects, said that the incidents detailed in his report are the exception to the rule.

"The inquiry ... revealed a consistent, documented policy of respectful handling of the Koran dating back almost two-and-a-half years," he said in a statement issued late Friday.

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Gen. Hood was looking into allegations -- reported and then retracted by Newsweek magazine -- that U.S. personnel at the penal camp had flushed a prisoner's Koran down the toilet. The report angered some in the Muslim world and reports from the region said that the street violence had killed a number of people.

But the statement from Gen. Hood said that his investigators had found no evidence to support that specific allegation.

"The inquiry found no credible evidence that a member of the Joint Task Force at Guantanamo Bay ever flushed a Koran down a toilet. This matter is considered closed."

Gen. Hood's statement did, however, detail a series of other incidents in which the Koran had been mishandled. He also noted that the prisoners themselves appeared to have debased their own Korans on as many as 15 occasions.
Hundreds of terrorist suspects have been held at Guantanamo Bay, some of them for years. They exist in a legal limbo, accorded neither the status of prisoners-of-war nor the privileges and rights of international law. Amnesty International recently described the camp as a modern-day "gulag," an emotive term that brought angry response from U.S. President George W. Bush and Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Gen. Hood said that his team looked into a total of 19 Koran-handling incidents. They concluded that 10 of them were the result of appropriate and routine behaviour by guards. Four others could not be conclusively determined to have happened or not happened. The remaining five are considered confirmed.

The confirmed incidents include:

*1 a guard kicking a prisoner's Koran;

*2 Korans being wetted by water balloons thrown by guards;

*3 a "two-word obscenity" written inside the cover of a Koran, which Gen. Hood's report says could have been done by a guard or the prisoner himself;

*4 a guard who relieved himself too close to an air vent, spraying a prisoner and his Koran; and

*5 a contract interrogator who stepped on a Koran during an interrogation.


1,2 & 4 seem to be inadvertant, 3 was likely done by the terrorist in question, 5 wasn't done by the military.


And Newsweek is still a POS rag with an agenda and had zero creedibility before the story.


Remember "the Gingrich who stole Christmas"?. :roll:

[Bizzarofelice]

To those living in TalkingPointsylvannia, nothing but the National Review has credibility. WSJ recently lost theirs with a mere op/ed that questioned a minute aspect of the war.

[tough love]

Just so you know; this is not my thread, and it appears to be a tad disconcerning to see one's nic appear to be out of place.

I understand the reasons, yet perhaps in the future a M could ask (PM) first, or better yet, just use their own nic or one of their trolls to start up or continue a thread.



As for Newsweak:
I reacon they be as biased as any others whose foundation lies upon greeds firmament.

In this paticular case in point; I go with, they did a good job (possibly tripped, whatever) because their actions brought about or hurried another necessary investigation into ongoing wrongful military practices.
Phycho's clearly need to be scrutinized, and props go to Newsweek for what they inspired to that regard.

Quote:Pentagon confirms mishandling of holy book.
Quote: Hood said last week he found no credible evidence a Qur'an was ever flushed down a toilet.

Did he crawl through the sewer hole?
Did he check the holding tank for pages?
I Think Not.


Anywho; Blind Partisan finding's say what:

[Diogenes]

I split this into it's own topic since the other thread was at 7 pages already. Besides, the new allegations deserve their own thread.

So what is the point of this?

http://www.theoneboard.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=5559

Bitch move.


I was discussing the subject you split.


The fact that the idiot agreeing with you had to resort to the grammar/spelling card just meant he had shit to go on.




And my example still stands.

[DrDetroit]

An internal investigation at the U.S. prison camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, has confirmed several cases of guards mishandling religious material

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... rnational/

Good Job, Newsweek: :wink:

That won't stop Rush, Hannity, Detard et al from crowing about Newsweek till the end of time.

Uh, Newsweek still lied about the Koran being allegedly flushed.

That you find nothing wrong with that says more about you than anything else.

[DrDetroit]

It deserves respect because disrespecting it will cause thousands more to join the ranks of our enemy. Nothing more.

Um, they aren't joining up to kill us because we dis the Koran...

[Variable]

So what is the point of this?

http://www.theoneboard.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=5559

Bitch move.


I was discussing the subject you split.


The fact that the idiot agreeing with you had to resort to the grammar/spelling card just meant he had shit to go on.




And my example still stands.

I tried to nicely nudge the thread back on subject and you two pretended not to notice. You want to bicker grammar and spelling, do it somewhere else.

You know the thread hijack rules. Neither of you were discussing the topic at hand, both of you wanted the last word, so it got bumped.

If you want to discuss this with me further, please do so through PM. Or start a new thread in this forum, I don't care.

[Bizzarofelice]

Uh, Newsweek still lied about the Koran being allegedly flushed.

They didn't "lie."

[DrDetroit]

Uh, Newsweek still lied about the Koran being allegedly flushed.

They didn't "lie."

Yes they did. Just like CBS "lied."

Newsweek ran a story that they could not confirm. They had one "witness" who refused to provide documentation of his allegation. They had no corroboration whatsoever.

That's lying to me.

[BSmack]

Uh, Newsweek still lied about the Koran being allegedly flushed.

They didn't "lie."

Yes they did. Just like CBS "lied."

Newsweek ran a story that they could not confirm. They had one "witness" who refused to provide documentation of his allegation. They had no corroboration whatsoever.

That's lying to me.

We have now seen the corroboration you speak of. Newsweek has been vindicated. Why must you lie?

[DrDetroit]

Corroboration of a Koran being flushed??

Link?

[DrDetroit]

If the facility at Guantanamo Bay has a prisoner-to-prison-guard ratio anywhere near the ratio in the prison field in general, there is one guard for every five prisoners. That means, with some 600 prisoners, there are more than 100 prison guards, and that doesn't include however many interrogators there are. And surely, in the course of that time, there has been a guard rotation or two, which would suggest there have been several hundred guards and interrogators at work at Gitmo.

In the space of more than three years, according to the Pentagon, there are three confirmed incidents in which the Koran was desecrated, the worst being an occasion when it was kicked. The person who kicked the Koran was kicked out of Gitmo.

No Koran was stuffed in the toilet, as Newsweek had falsely alleged. Indeed, according to Pentagon investigators, there were 15 instances in which the Koran was defiled by Muslim prisoners.

What does this tell us? It tells us that, after these revelations, it would be profoundly dishonest for anyone to say that such conduct was either typical or condoned or part of the interrogation techniques used there.

But many people will say precisely this, just as they will claim Newsweek was somehow vindicated because there was an incident in which urine splashed onto a Koran through an air vent.

And you know why they will say it? Because, for various reasons -- from ideological hostility to the United States to a desire to keep themselves at a distance from the Bush administration -- they want to believe it.

[DrDetroit]

Anybody notice that the debate over American conduct at Gitmo has moved from the question of whether detainees were tortured to the question of whether a book was tortured? Granted, we are talking about a holy book. But it is an inanimate object, no?

[BSmack]

Anybody notice that the debate over American conduct at Gitmo has moved from the question of whether detainees were tortured to the question of whether a book was tortured? Granted, we are talking about a holy book. But it is an inanimate object, no?

That because we all know tourture is outsourced by the State Department.

[DrDetroit]

Anybody notice that the debate over American conduct at Gitmo has moved from the question of whether detainees were tortured to the question of whether a book was tortured? Granted, we are talking about a holy book. But it is an inanimate object, no?

That because we all know tourture is outsourced by the State Department.

Weak.

[Hapday]

Uh, Newsweek still lied about the Koran being allegedly flushed.

They didn't "lie."

But Bush 'lied' about Iraq, right?

[BSmack]

Anybody notice that the debate over American conduct at Gitmo has moved from the question of whether detainees were tortured to the question of whether a book was tortured? Granted, we are talking about a holy book. But it is an inanimate object, no?

That because we all know tourture is outsourced by the State Department.

Weak.

I know. If we had real balls we would do our own dirty work.

[DrDetroit]

That because we all know tourture is outsourced by the State Department.

Weak.

I know. If we had real balls we would do our own dirty work.

What exactly is your complaint, B?

[BSmack]

Weak.

I know. If we had real balls we would do our own dirty work.

What exactly is your complaint, B?

I didn't have a complaint. I simply made an observation of fact that the US has used the policy of rendition to skirt our troublesome Constitutional protections. Therefore, it would stand to reason that Gitmo detainees would not be physicaly harmed in any substantial way, they would be "rendered" to a security service in a country that has no Constitutional protections.

[DrDetroit]

I know. If we had real balls we would do our own dirty work.

What exactly is your complaint, B?

I didn't have a complaint. I simply made an observation of fact that the US has used the policy of rendition to skirt our troublesome Constitutional protections. Therefore, it would stand to reason that Gitmo detainees would not be physicaly harmed in any substantial way, they would be "rendered" to a security service in a country that has no Constitutional protections.

Dickhead, these people are not subject to the rights and protections of the US Constitution. Neither are they subject to the privelages and protections of the Geneva Convention.

BTW, your last statement doesn't make any sense.

What's your point, B?

[DrDetroit]

Thanks for the clarification, Mvscal.

There is no argument that the detainees at Gitmo are receiving not only basic human rights, but are treated very well considering their circumstances. They get their holy book, they get a culturally sensitive meal plan, exercise, etc.