Auburn - FSU MNCG

[Carson]

Used to be a lot of 'noles on this board.

We all know about Ciceyfag, but what about nolesy, TheChief, and Mr. T?

If this game doesn't bring 'em back, I don't know what will.

[L45B]

Well, the BCS ends just the way it started: Ohio State losing to Michigan State, Florida State going to play an SEC team.

This should be a great game. How much magic does Auburn have left?

[Carson]

So far Shrub is the only FSU rep actively posting.

Really?

REALLY???

[Roger_the_Shrubber]

Carson,
No idea about the others.

If FSU can contain the running game, they win huge. Otherwise...a 10 point game. Kicking game may well win it.

[Left Seater]

My quick thoughts.

FSU has the number 1 defense in the country and the number 1 pass defense in the country. The pass defense number is eye popping due to the leads they had this season and the need for their opponents to throw the ball. FSU will be able to play man coverage and move the Strong Safety much closer to the LOS. Look for FSU to use a 5-3-3 defensive alignment.

The FSU defense will be the best Auburn has seen this season, while the Auburn offense will be the best FSU's defense has seen. Auburn will win this matchup if they can throw for more than 175 yards. If they fall short of this then FSU will ignore the pass game completely and play man vs man on the run game.

On the flip side the Auburn defense will not be the best the FSU offense has seen this season. Auburn will have to stop FSU on third downs early. The Auburn front four is their best grouping. As Sam said above, they have to get pressure. If they allow FSU to string together 10 play plus drives, say goodnight.

What does this all mean, not a damn thing. One injury or turnover or special teams play can turn everything. (See Colt McCoy only playing 5 snaps in 2009 title game.)

[Left Seater]

Let me correct one thing from above. MSU is number 1 in total defense. I was looking at stats from before the conf title games.

Sam, I do think the FSU defense is just a touch better overall than Bama. FSU gets the edge for their secondary. Both are very good.

[mvscal]

My quick thoughts.

FSU has the number 1 defense in the country and the number 1 pass defense in the country. The pass defense number is eye popping due to the leads they had this season and the need for their opponents to throw the ball.

Who gives a fuck? The passing game is an afterthought for Auburn.

FSU will be able to play man coverage and move the Strong Safety much closer to the LOS. Look for FSU to use a 5-3-3 defensive alignment.

Yeah, good luck with that. Maybe they might want to practice some 5-5-1 alignments. You know...just in case. That might hold them to only 250 yards rushing.

Auburn will win this matchup if they can throw for more than 175 yards.

Who needs to throw for 175 when they can rush for 300 or more? That will be a more relevant metric. Auburn doesn't need to pass to win. I don't know how anyone who has watched them can come to any other conclusion. If the Semenholes can't stuff the run, they lose...period. Game over.

FSU will ignore the pass game completely and play man vs man on the run game.

I don't think they can. FSU is going to get kicked in the cunt.

[War Wagon]

Mizzou had a stout run defense all season, until they faced Auburn. They had given up an average of 129 yards a game and then got steamrolled. I don't see FSU being able to stop that running game either.

I don't care how great the FSU offense is or bad the Auburn defense is. When a team can run the ball like that, they grind you the fuck down.

AUB - 45
FSU - 38

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

If this game was played late in the regular season, I'd probably take Auburn, but with a month to prepare, I generally give the advantage to defense over offense. Auburn has one dimension. If FSU can slow that dimension down, how else is Auburn going to beat them? Whereas FSU is good in every facet. My only reservation with FSU is they are not battle-tested like Auburn. I wouldn't be surprised to see Rapeis Winston shit the bed.

FSU 30
Auburn 24

[Roger_the_Shrubber]

At the start of this year, no one EVER thought of FSU as a NC caliber team. Auburn the same way.

Question I have is, if the 4 team playoff happened this year, would either team come out to be in the NCG?

Auburn was on a HELL of a roll, but the lay off is a huge negative for them. Meanwhile, FSU would have just done as always.

The injury bug has stayed away so far from both, but if Kelvin Benjamin or either of the two other WR's can play the whole game, let alone Jameis, FSU should win. If Auburn gets to Winston, and even hurts him a little, The Plainsmen have a better than average chance.

Personally I wouldn't bet huge on FSU, but they should win, if the D-Line does its job.

I hope a chat in here goes during the game. I still consider Spray a bud because any bs that happened was a decade ago.

And the NW teams can bite me.

[Carson]

OK, time for some pre-game smack.

The tomahawk chop is gay. The FSU band invented it, 'nuff said.
Jameis Winston's momma is an Auburn fan. Do wat yo momma say Jamass.
Free Shoes University will never not be funny.
Ted Bundy did more for FSU than any of their alumni.
Burt Reynolds took Jim Nabors in the ass. Loni Anderson has Burt's dick in a jar on her mantle.
Danny Kannell is a dumbfuck.

[Goober McTuber]

Used to be a lot of 'noles on this board.

We all know about Ciceyfag, but what about nolesy, TheChief, and Mr. T?

Are there any heterosexual FSU fans?

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

You know - I saw Nick talking about this game yesterday, and he was actually very cool about it. I figured he might be bittering a little, but he did good.

Seriously? Saban is about as milquetoast as it gets when it comes to speaking to the media.

[Carson]

Used to be a lot of 'noles on this board.

We all know about Ciceyfag, but what about nolesy, TheChief, and Mr. T?

Are there any heterosexual FSU fans?

Ya know, they were an all-girls school until the 50s.

Not much has changed.

[Carson]

Buckle up...this is Auburn football!!!

[Dinsdale]

I'm just pissed that Taco Bell is sullying PTM's song so frequently.

[Left Seater]

What did I tell you guys about a month ago?

Need a refresher? Auburn will throw the ball to win. I said if they threw for 175 they would win.

Long way to go, but FSU is so focused on the run Auburn can throw damn near at will.

[Dinsdale]

Maybe FSU might try running the ball on 1st down... you know, basic football and stuff.

[Left Seater]

B1G officiating crew is really struggling tonight.

They have missed late hits out of bounds each way. They missed a face mask against Winston. They missed a DPI against Auburn. They missed a Florida State holding on their opening drive.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

What did I tell you guys about a month ago?

Need a refresher? Auburn will throw the ball to win. I said if they threw for 175 they would win.

Long way to go, but FSU is so focused on the run Auburn can throw damn near at will.

Slow your role, Jesse Palmer. Auburn scored 21 points in the first half, 14 of them on very short fields. They're winning because FSU has looked more like Ferris State than they have Florida State on offense. But credit to Auburn, they're playing with a huge chip on their shoulders on D.

[The Seer]

You'd think Bethune-Cookman, Idaho, & Nevada would've prepared them for this level of competition.

[indyfrisco]

Fuck yeah.

I had Auburn +11, under at 68 and then also parlayed those two.

16-2 on my bets for the week! The new poolhouse gets a TV and so does the outdoor fireplace.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Exciting game. Sloppy, but exciting.

FSU can't tackle for shit. #1 defense, my ass.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Rapeis said God did it for FSU.

If that's the case, then I guess God was furiously masturbating while looking down on Winston busting a nut in that slut's asshole while his boy was tag-teaming her gash.

PRAISE JIZZUS JESUS!!!

[Roger_the_Shrubber]

Whew!!!!!!!!!!

And the SEC/Auburn suck ups can bite me.

Spray has shown the only class out of all of you.

[Carson]

Yeah, but now America gets to experience the horror that is

WAL-MART: FL PANHANDLE

Stay tuned...

[Screw_Michigan]

Yeah, but now America gets to experience the horror that is

WAL-MART: FL PANHANDLE

Stay tuned...

I'm sure it's not too different from the Gulf Coast of Alabammer.

[poptart]

There's your student-athlete.

[Joe in PB]

That prevent defense the tigers were in was laughable considering they were playing for a championship. The only play they made was escorting FSU into the end zone. I've seen better tackling by poles on a slalom course. National Championship Game? More like embarrassing ineptitude by a quite a few Auburn players who would have a hard time passing a GED test is my guess.

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[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

No, just a team whose faculty covers up rape.

[Left Seater]

No, just a team whose faculty covers up rape.

How about you post one thing the FSU faculty or even staff did to cover up said rape.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Authorities...faculty...it's all interconnected in these myopic big time power cfb towns.

[Laxplayer]

I'm just glad that when John Saunders was interviewing the players they were well spoken, educated young men who had a good grasp of the King's English.

[poptart]

Authorities...faculty...it's all interconnected in these myopic big time power cfb towns.

- Mgo






Now you're talkin'.

[poptart]

His "Yeah, I may talk like a fool, but look at the scoreboard" tweet was almost as embarrassing as his post-game mouth-failure episode.

As if getting over on the playing field answers for how or why it is that you are a COLLEGE student who speaks at a 7th grade level.

I've seen some come to Winston's defense saying, "Hey, he has a high GPA."

Well, if you pause and consider that, ---> it's even more damning.

[Carson]

He looks like a balck Jethro Bodine to me.

[Laxplayer]

That's great Jay-Mus but in a couple of years you'll be an out of work NFL QB bust with no degree or employable skills to speak of. Oh yes you may have some signing bonus money but you'll blow that on a nice ride, a nice house, some nice clothes etc.....but you'll end up broke because you were too fucking stupid to ever find a classroom and make an intelligent decision about taking advantage of your free education and get a degree.

[poptart]

As if the other team was any better

- schmick




The whole thing is a damn farce.

I blame the fans.

In true zombie fashion, they (you? ha) keep supporting the "intercollegiate athletics" laff.

So guess what?
Many greasy suits are more than happy to keep the charade going ---> and accept large jack.
Choo Choo!!
Gravy train!


Step away.
Stop the denial.

The first step necessary to begin reforming the product into something which is genuine and true.

[Goober McTuber]

HARRISONBURG, Va. — James Madison University, my current employer, recently commissioned an "overall strategic plan" for its athletics program. Revealed to the public in an admirable gesture of institutional transparency, the plan claims that JMU is "well-positioned" for a transition to the highest level of college sports, the Football Bowl Subdivision.

Though administrators are open to the idea of moving on up, the James Madison faculty, myself included, is substantially less enthused. Why do the vast majority of us oppose the move?

First, we worry about the numbers. There is no question that Football Bowl programs are risky investments and that they're correlated with disproportionately high levels of institutional athletics funding. There's also widespread concern about endorsing a financial scheme dependent on unpaid labor for its solvency, labor that may one day be declared illegal. And yes, longtime professors who saw their salaries frozen for five years are viscerally upset by a plan that suggests hiking student fees to fund a major investment in our football program.

Yet the financial cost of college football is nothing compared with its cost to our integrity. Are some people such addicts that they will continue to rationalize the exploitation of workers on whose battered bodies their beloved entertainment industry is built? Does the rush of a win for the home team allow them to forget those teenagers who gamble on unlikely stardom and lose? Are they willing to stomach endemic sexism and the scourge of campus sexual assault?

So be it. But I will not stand by as the engineers and patrons of this system pervert my religion and desecrate its churches.

I see my job as both a career and a devotion. Max Weber, the founder of modern social science, referred to scholarship as "a vocation," evoking the traditional sense of a divine calling to serve in the priesthood. The earliest universities descended from religious schools, and it was only in the 19th century that Harvard, America's first university, changed its motto from "Truth for Christ and Church" to "Truth."

Though shorn of denominational religious rhetoric, that simple motto still represents the mission of higher education, the core of our academic faith. Professors puzzle over ancient languages, map the stars, and grade endless assignments not because "those who can't do, teach," but because we are devoted to truth and feel a duty to profess it. We think — we know — that our vocation has always been, and will continue to be, an essential element of any healthy society. In the words of another university motto: "Let knowledge grow from more to more; and so be human life enriched."

It is not my place to criticize the status of athletics in America. On that, our nation has already made a near unanimous decision. As Harvard philosopher Michael Sandel puts it in his book "What Money Can't Buy": "From Yankee Stadium in New York to Candlestick Park in San Francisco, sports stadiums are the cathedrals of our civil religion, public spaces that gather people from different walks of life in rituals of loss and hope, profanity and prayer."

But these cathedrals should not be the crown jewels of college campuses, and athletes should not be our evangelists. It's true that academia and sports complement each other — Plato himself was an excellent wrestler, and Confucian students were expected to master archery and charioteering alongside writing and arithmetic. Yet Plato and Confucius would surely be appalled, as we should be, to hear that University of California-Berkeley pays its Nobel laureate in physics one-tenth the salary of its football coach, or that some institutional athletics subsidies can reach 1.5 times the total library budget. The dubious profitability of athletics is beside the point: These figures represent and legitimize a profound disorder of values.

American college football has faced educators and administrators who resist the will (and deep pockets) of fanatics. In 1939, Robert Maynard Hutchins, then president of the University of Chicago, eliminated the school's football program. It was not a popular move. Harvard's athletic director mocked Hutchins' physique, and Chicago Tribune sports editor Arch Ward likened dropping football to Communism. Even Hutchins' fellow university presidents were skeptical.

Fifteen years later, Hutchins reflected on the significance of his decision in an article for Sports Illustrated. "No other country looks to its universities as a prime source of athletic entertainment," he wrote. "Anybody who has watched, as I have, 12 university presidents spend half a day solemnly discussing the Rose Bowl agreement, or anybody who has read portentous discussions of the 'decline' of Harvard, Yale, Stanford, or Chicago because of the recurring defeats of its football team must realize that we in America are in a different world."

Hutchins was aghast at his fellow presidents, who believed that "football had become the spiritual core of the modern campus." He was disgusted by a system that reduced boys "to perjurers, scalpers and football gigolos" and by colleges that "violate the rules they themselves have made," pandering to "alumni with endowment-available money."

"To anybody seriously interested in education intercollegiate football presents itself as an infernal nuisance," Hutchins declared. "If all the time, thought and effort that university presidents, professors and press agents have had to devote to this subject could have been spent on working out and explaining to the public a defensible program of higher education we should long since have solved every problem that confronts the colleges and universities of the U.S. Since there is no visible connection between big-time football and higher education, the tremendous importance attached to it by colleges and universities can only confuse the public about what these institutions are."

In the aftermath of the school's decision to drop football, Chicago had indeed proved that utopia was possible. It succeeded, Hutchins noted proudly, in demonstrating that "'normal' young Americans could get excited about the life of the mind."

Don't think for a moment that Chicago is some freakish exception. In 2009, Northeastern University dropped its football program, to the dismay of many alumni and students. What happened? "For Northeastern, life after football is good," reported the Boston Globe a year later. "There has been little or no blowback from alumni or students, as money once spent on football now serves other campus goals. In fact, the number of donors is up (from 19,559 to 21,797) as is the number of applicants (37,693 for 2,800 spots), and the stature of the university continues to rise."

At Boston University, which dropped its football program in 1997, the number of alumni donors is up this year, despite a nationwide downward trend in annual giving. Intramural sports participation has risen 55 percent. And then there's Spelman, and Hofstra, and UC-Santa Barbara, and, well, the list goes on.

Platitudes about potential loss of spirit aside, there's only one serious obstacle facing schools that are tempted to get rid of football: the lure of big money. Money makes universities do funny things. In exchange for a $6 million gift to the athletics program, Florida Atlantic University renamed its football stadium after controversy-wracked private prison corporation GEO Group, owned by alumnus, former board of trustees member, and enthusiastic booster George Zoley. (The naming rights deal eventually collapsed amid a torrent of bad publicity.)

As I contemplate the recently renovated $62 million stadium on my own campus (naming rights still available!), it strikes me that a traditional religion once compromised its morals to pay for fancy cathedrals. Originally a minor aspect of Catholicism, indulgences took off when they were monetized effectively. Despite limits placed by the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215, churches continued to bleed funds from the faithful in exchange for promises of salvation. The issue came to a head in 1517 when Pope Leo X sold indulgences to finance renovations of St. Peter's Basilica. Scandalized, Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses to the door of All Saints' Church in Wittenberg and started the Protestant Reformation.

It is time for our own reformation. Students and parents: Choose schools based on the educational experiences they offer, not the ranking of their teams. Alumni: Donate because your school taught you something, not because it wins games. Faculty, administrators and presidents: Don't let your fear of being martyred stop you from speaking out publicly against big-money college sports. If higher education in America wants to preserve its integrity, we have no choice but to demand together: Get your stadiums out of our churches.

[Killian]

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