national coach of the year, call it

[indyfrisco]

Bill Self >>>>>>>>>> Trent Johnson

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

OK, it's fair to put Johnson in the running but I don't think he should beat out any of the following:

Mike Anderson
Ed Dechellis
Bill Self
Lorenzo Romar

[King Crimson]

i wouldn't argue with Bill Self.

and TRUST me it ain't a conference homer thing. no extra love for KU here.

edit: Mike Anderson was my first hope to replace Kelvin at OU. great job there, too bad MU fans have been complaining about him for 2 years (just like they did with Pinkel)...and might lose him to Bama. Note to Mizzou fan, Norm Stewart did lose a game or two and never made the Final Four. Quin made it as far as Norm.

[War Wagon]

i wouldn't argue with Bill Self.

I would.

Bill Self makes like $3.5 mil per year, it's freaking Kansas, that's what he's supposed to do.

Mike Anderson was my first hope to replace Kelvin at OU. great job there, too bad MU fans have been complaining about him for 2 years (just like they did with Pinkel)...and might lose him to Bama.

I wasn't complaining. I figured the problems he inherited were endemic to the program and he was just hired as a temporary caretaker. I had absolutely ZERO expectations this year, and neither did anyone else. What he's done has been quite remarkable. I think he gets a new, lucrative contract and stays. He's a Tiger now.

Note to Mizzou fan, Norm Stewart did lose a game or two and never made the Final Four. Quin made it as far as Norm.

Quin never won a conference championship, much less do it 4 years in a row. Quin never went undefeated in conference.

Don't you be bagging on Norm. He was a great coach. Quin couldn't carry his jockstrap.

[Shoalzie]

Self would be my pick as well with honorable mention to Calipari and Johnson.

[King Crimson]

Don't you be bagging on Norm. He was a great coach. Quin couldn't carry his jockstrap.

i have no problem bagging on Norm, because he never made the Final Four. He's a great coach, and a lot of coaches never made the Final Four....but I read MU boards and you guys are really tacky, bullshit fans who are used to losing and complaining. that's how you make yourself happy. you sound like Colorado fans to me: you knee-jerk when you have a good team, and lack insight. Christ, MU boards are the "go-to" for insulting a player's mom, how he looks, etc. that's what you guys are. it's really incredible how across the board the "personal insult" is for internet MU fan. wooo! Antlers.

dont' get me wrong, Oklahoma has some dumbass fans, but, jeezus. MU fans are weird. i've been registered on tigerboard.com for 7 years.

I used to always pull for Mizzou in the border war, but i'm not sure i do anymore. Mu boards are a lot like NFL boards. mindless bullshit.

[War Wagon]

...but I read MU boards and you guys are really tacky, bullshit fans...

Dude, it's just me you're talking to here. Am I a tacky, bullshit fan?

I hope not.

Maybe you should find something better to do with your time than getting flustered reading Mizzou boards.

I don't post or read anywhere else than here and I barely have time for that. This is my only home. Don't be grouping me in with anybody else.

[King Crimson]

...but I read MU boards and you guys are really tacky, bullshit fans...

Dude, it's just me you're talking to here. Am I a tacky, bullshit fan?

I hope not.

naw, it's just a general statement. not you, but have to admit you ran it pretty hard the last two football seasons only to get beat down. i started reading Tigerboard back in about 00 since it was one of the few conference hoops boards that got traffic during the season--that wasn't a a KU board. hornfans.com used to have a great hoops board back then too, before TJ Ford and then it became a typical UT circle jerk. back then, every dorkball fan wasn't on line and there was some good conversation and such about the conference and hoops. I just think recently MU fan has become a little "don't know how to handle success" and the personal insult thing, like i say, is a little weird....and as a general group, i do think MU fans are pushing CU fans as a group dickhead factor.

i know some great MU fans from inna day on tigerboard, like 7Tiger who i used to trade music with.....and one of my college buddy's teaches at MU and loves Columbia. and he grew up in Iowa City so he KNOWS hoops, women, hot guys, and all things cosmopolitan. but the we win, fuck you all, no class thing is pretty high among MU fans, IMO. i don't if it's post-cokehead Quin or what, but you guys have said horrible, horrible things about Pinkel and Anderson for years and then vault them to unthinkable heights after a few wins. it's pretty schizo. i think that says more about the psychology of the fanbase than anything about Pinkel or Anderson.

until this year, the all things "Norm" reminds me of CU fans and Bill McCartney bunny humping. There are CU fans who think they ought to hire Eric Bienemy as OC, just because he "knows" how to win. never mind he's never been anything but a position coach (and was banned from the CU campus for 15 years). minus the banning, that's the same as Norm with MU fan. hire Kim Anderson, bring back Norm, Jon Sunvold, blah blah blah...until THIS year.

like i say, OU has it's idiots too.

[King Crimson]

and Wags, don't make me go find posts on this board where you "quit" on the team.

the Illinois game, KU in Columbia? :wink:

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

Mike Anderson... 1st. Bill Self 2nd. Both schools are Top 10 material, legitimate Final Four teams, and neither was expected to do shit this year. The Big 12 is a lot tougher than I thought it'd be... certainly tougher than what the Geaux Tigers experienced.

So LSU mopped up in a shit conference with a shit out of conference schedule (they are in the SEC, right? ) Big fucking deal. Their RPI is 33rd and their SOS is 95th. Nine opponents not even ranked in the Top 200???

Sorry... does not equate to Coach of the Year.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Bill Self makes like $3.5 mil per year, it's freaking Kansas, that's what he's supposed to do.

Lame.

You make it sound like being a good coach should be some sort of disqualifier for Coach of the Year.

[indyfrisco]

Bill Self makes like $3.5 mil per year, it's freaking Kansas, that's what he's supposed to do.

Lame.

You make it sound like being a good coach should be some sort of disqualifier for Coach of the Year.

Exactly. When you lost what Kansas did to the NBA and completely reload with a new cast and still put up the record they did, it is impressive. Granted, they had some OOC losses (Arizona, Mich St., UMass, and Syracuse) but that was pretty decent competition except for UMass.

I would put Mike Anderson as 1b, though. And if either of them won, it would not surprise me nor would it be undeserved.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Kansas should always be bringing in the type of talent to at least compete in the Big 12, but the fact they're on the verge of winning the conference outright if they beat Texas is nothing short of incredible. I pretty much wrote them off after several out of conference losses. To get a team to do a total 180 like that is all on the coaching staff.

[War Wagon]

So how do you explain getting shit hammered by 19 by a 2-12 Texas Tech team the next game after clinching at least a tie for the conference championship?

Great coaching, eh?

Conversely, Anderson brings his troops home after that beatdown in Lawrence and rallies the team to a great win over an OU squad at full strength.

If Mizzou wins at ATM tomorrow and clinches 2nd place, and that's a Big IF as everyone knows how tough it can be to win on the road in a hostile environment, just hand him the award. Lose that last game, not so much.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

An explanation isn't necessary. A lot of good teams have bad losses, and it's not about one hand-picked game you choose for the convenience of your argument. It's about the entire body of work.

[King Crimson]

So how do you explain getting shit hammered by 19 by a 2-12 Texas Tech team the next game after clinching at least a tie for the conference championship?

Great coaching, eh?

Conversely, Anderson brings his troops home after that beatdown in Lawrence and rallies the team to a great win over an OU squad at full strength.

If Mizzou wins at ATM tomorrow and clinches 2nd place, and that's a Big IF as everyone knows how tough it can be to win on the road in a hostile environment, just hand him the award. Lose that last game, not so much.

so, your argument is:

1. getting bradhuskered at KU doesn't really count because you beat OU at home a couple days later....
and:
2. finishing 2nd in his conference means Anderson is a shoe-in for national coach of the year?

[Mr T]

Trent Johnson, LSU

This year, LSU won more conference games than the prior two years combined.

I think you are confusing SEC Coach of the year and NCAA Coach of the year.

I am guessing you have been hanging out with SEC Ballsucking Homer

[Shine]

Trent Johnson deserves to be in the conversation but doesn't deserve the award. He came into a great situation at LSU where the Tigers were getting back guys who'd been out. With the SEC down this year many pundits were picking LSU as a team to watch out for in the preseason. Johnson did a nice job to be sure but not COY nice.

A darkhouse guy who won't win but should also be in the convo is Bill Carmody from Northwestern. In a down Big 10 last year NW only managed 1 conference win. This year with the Big 10 much improved he has NW at 8 wins with a game still to play. They only won 8 games total last year. Even OOC NW fared pretty well with a big win over FSU, a complete drubbing of crosstown foe DePaul and two very close road losses to Butler and Stanford. After getting off to an 0-4 conference start NW is 8-5 their last 13 games including a road win at Purdue.

If I were voting my ballot would look like (as of today, the top 3 could switch around depending on the weekend results):

1- Jamie Dixon, Pitt
2- Bill Self, KU
3- Mike Anderson, Mizz
4- Trent Johnson, LSU
5- Bill Carmody, NW

[Screw_Michigan]

DePaul just might be the worst major metro D-1 program in the nation. A win over the Demons is nothing to hang your hat on, even if they are your cross-town rival.

[War Wagon]

so, your argument is:

...that Anderson deserves the award more than Self.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

A darkhouse guy who won't win but should also be in the convo is Bill Carmody from Northwestern. In a down Big 10 last year NW only managed 1 conference win. This year with the Big 10 much improved he has NW at 8 wins with a game still to play. They only won 8 games total last year. Even OOC NW fared pretty well with a big win over FSU, a complete drubbing of crosstown foe DePaul and two very close road losses to Butler and Stanford. After getting off to an 0-4 conference start NW is 8-5 their last 13 games including a road win at Purdue.

Good call, Carmody slipped my mind. Don't forget about N'western's road win at Mich St, as well, which snapped MSU's home winning streak and first loss ever to NU at home. To win on the road against the top two teams in the league is pretty amazing for a team like Northwestern. Not to mention wins vs other tourney-bound teams such as Ohio St, Wisconsin, and (possibly) Minnesota.

On the flip side his teams suffered some really, really horrible choke jobs this year, especially to Illinois. But the fact he even had them competitive and in those games alleviates that a little bit.

Carmody may have done more with less than anyone else in the country this year.

[The Seer]

Y'all are crazy for not putting Craig Robinson into the discussion....yeah he won a few games in the Pac 10....but being THE brother in law should garner a few votes.

[indyfrisco]

Bump.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4038589

Bill Self it is for the AP, and it was a runaway. 28 votes for Self. Second place (Dixon - Pitt) got 10.

Shine is the only one who had Dixon in the running. He had him 1 and Self 2.