Tom Delay can fuck off

[DrDetroit]

...no one can find anything to cut in the budget my ass...

• The federal government cannot account for $24.5 billion spent in 2003.
• A White House review of just a sample of the federal budget identified $90 billion spent on programs deemed that were either ineffective, marginally adequate, or operating under a flawed purpose or design.
• The Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” book identifying $140 billion in potential spending cuts.
• The federal government spends $23 billion annually on special interest pork projects such as grants to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, or funds to combat teenage “goth” culture in Blue Springs, Missouri.
• Washington spends tens of billions of dollars on failed and outdated programs such as the Rural Utilities Service, U.S. Geological Survey and Economic Development Association.
• The federal government made $20 billion in overpayments in 2001.
• The Department of Housing and Urban Development’s $3.3 billion in overpayments in 2001 accounted for over 10 percent of the department’s total budget.
• Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.
• Examples of wasteful duplication include: 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 federal programs dedicated to assuring safe water.
• The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses, and 40% of this goes to Fortune 500 companies.
• The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets, and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were reimbursable.
• The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually to not farm their land.
• Washington spends $60 billion annually on corporate welfare, versus $43 billion on homeland security.

[BSmack]

• Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.

Not being very supportive of the troops eh?

[DrDetroit]

• Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.

Not being very supportive of the troops eh?

how pathetic is this ^^^ ?

:roll:

go ahead and exploit the very troops you do not support.

[BSmack]

• Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.

Not being very supportive of the troops eh?

how pathetic is this ^^^ ?

:roll:

go ahead and exploit the very troops you do not support.

And yet you would deny them a little pleasure before giving that last full measure of devotion.

Traitor

[DrDetroit]

Variable, please delete B's posts, he's attempting to hijack the thread. That, or simply move his posts to a new thread.

You know, rules and all.

[BSmack]

Variable, please delete B's posts, he's attempting to hijack the thread. That, or simply move his posts to a new thread.

You know, rules and all.

I'm hijacking the thread by quoting YOUR post and responding to it?

Get fucked.

And now, to keep this shizzit back on topic, let us all take a second and get a good laugh at Tom Delay FINALY having to deal with the reality of governance.

[Mikey]

...no one can find anything to cut in the budget my ass...

• The federal government cannot account for $24.5 billion spent in 2003.
• A White House review of just a sample of the federal budget identified $90 billion spent on programs deemed that were either ineffective, marginally adequate, or operating under a flawed purpose or design.
• The Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” book identifying $140 billion in potential spending cuts.
• The federal government spends $23 billion annually on special interest pork projects such as grants to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, or funds to combat teenage “goth” culture in Blue Springs, Missouri.
• Washington spends tens of billions of dollars on failed and outdated programs such as the Rural Utilities Service, U.S. Geological Survey and Economic Development Association.
• The federal government made $20 billion in overpayments in 2001.
• The Department of Housing and Urban Development’s $3.3 billion in overpayments in 2001 accounted for over 10 percent of the department’s total budget.
• Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.
• Examples of wasteful duplication include: 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 federal programs dedicated to assuring safe water.
• The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses, and 40% of this goes to Fortune 500 companies.
• The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets, and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were reimbursable.
• The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually to not farm their land.
• Washington spends $60 billion annually on corporate welfare, versus $43 billion on homeland security.

Is this official data, or are you just making it up?
Is it coming from an unattributed source?

If you want to have any credibility you need to cite the original official source and provide a link Otherwise we all know that you're, as usual, talking out your ass.

[Mikey]

And now, to keep this shizzit back on topic, let us all take a second and get a good laugh at Tom Delay FINALY having to deal with the reality of governance.

Tom Delay shouldn't have to deal with the reality of governance.

What he should have to deal with is the reality of getting assraped in the face by his 270 lb cellmate.

[DrDetroit]

Variable, please delete B's posts, he's attempting to hijack the thread. That, or simply move his posts to a new thread.

You know, rules and all.

I'm hijacking the thread by quoting YOUR post and responding to it?

Get fucked.

And now, to keep this shizzit back on topic, let us all take a second and get a good laugh at Tom Delay FINALY having to deal with the reality of governance.

No, you're attempting to hijack the thread by diverting to an issue about supporting the troops. You did it in the first response you posted.

Now fuck off and start a new thread.

[DrDetroit]

...no one can find anything to cut in the budget my ass...

• The federal government cannot account for $24.5 billion spent in 2003.
• A White House review of just a sample of the federal budget identified $90 billion spent on programs deemed that were either ineffective, marginally adequate, or operating under a flawed purpose or design.
• The Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” book identifying $140 billion in potential spending cuts.
• The federal government spends $23 billion annually on special interest pork projects such as grants to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, or funds to combat teenage “goth” culture in Blue Springs, Missouri.
• Washington spends tens of billions of dollars on failed and outdated programs such as the Rural Utilities Service, U.S. Geological Survey and Economic Development Association.
• The federal government made $20 billion in overpayments in 2001.
• The Department of Housing and Urban Development’s $3.3 billion in overpayments in 2001 accounted for over 10 percent of the department’s total budget.
• Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.
• Examples of wasteful duplication include: 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 federal programs dedicated to assuring safe water.
• The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses, and 40% of this goes to Fortune 500 companies.
• The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets, and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were reimbursable.
• The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually to not farm their land.
• Washington spends $60 billion annually on corporate welfare, versus $43 billion on homeland security.

Is this official data, or are you just making it up?
Is it coming from an unattributed source?

If you want to have any credibility you need to cite the original official source and provide a link Otherwise we all know that you're, as usual, talking out your ass.

So you have no comment...check!

BTW - it was provided by Heritage to a writer at NRO.

Much of the information has been presented by me before from Citizen's Against Government Waste.

[BSmack]

BTW - it was provided by Heritage to a writer at NRO.

Much of the information has been presented by me before from Citizen's Against Government Waste.

In other words, you have nothing but your usual partisan spinmisters to source.

[DrDetroit]

You know, Mvscal, I wasn't going going to be so quick with that point, but it appears you're right.

Both B and Mikey seems to agree with DeLay.

We could simply start with the recently passed highway bills. They are billions in that legislation alone that could be classified as wasteful, at worst, or at best, political pork.

Shit, one MT city has already indicated it would send back $$ from the feds for an expanded parking garage to help pay for katrina relief.

[DrDetroit]

CAGW press release:

(Washington, D.C.) - Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) today released Prime Cuts 2005, which catalogues 600 recommendations throughout the government that if enacted could save taxpayers $232 billion in fiscal year 2006 and $2 trillion over the next five years. As reported in the Washington Times, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) yesterday asked for budget cuts to offset the cost of Hurricane Katrina relief, which has so far added $62.5 billion to the deficit.

“Rep. DeLay has challenged fiscal conservatives to come up with offsets. Prime Cuts is the answer to his challenge,” CAGW President Tom Schatz said. “The federal government is fraught with wasteful, ineffective, and duplicative programs that can be trimmed or eliminated altogether.”

Prime Cuts includes examples of agencies, programs, and policies that are plagued by fraud or negligence, serve political or parochial interests rather than the general good, do not demonstrate results, duplicate efforts in the private sector, circumvent procedural checks for transparency and accountability, or wildly exceed their original mandate.

Prime Cuts features some long-standing proposals to terminate specific programs, such as Community Development Block Grants (saving $24.7 billion over five years), the White House’s National Youth Anti-drug Media Campaign (saving $1 billion over five years), and the Advanced Technology Program (saving $750 million over five years). New recommendations include eliminating two narcissistic education scholarship programs that would save $205 million over five years: the B.J. Stupak Olympic Scholarship Program and the Robert C. Byrd Honors Scholarship Program.

“Tradeoffs must be made in a time of budget deficit and national disaster. Prime Cuts arms citizens, legislators, and the media with specific, rational, and achievable options for rightsizing government. Our nation has seen the wrath of natural disaster, and we must avoid fiscal disaster by offsetting the cost of hurricane relief. These projects and programs are wasteful in normal circumstances, but they are even less essential in these extraordinary times,” Schatz concluded.

Citizens Against Government Waste is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to eliminating waste, fraud, abuse, and mismanagement in government.

Mikey, B??

Well?

[BSmack]

You know, Mvscal, I wasn't going going to be so quick with that point, but it appears you're right.

Both B and Mikey seems to agree with DeLay.

We could simply start with the recently passed highway bills. They are billions in that legislation alone that could be classified as wasteful, at worst, or at best, political pork.

Shit, one MT city has already indicated it would send back $$ from the feds for an expanded parking garage to help pay for katrina relief.

Typical fucking bean counter mentality. You guys think budgets exist in a vacuum. Now I know you're a HR guy, so you have no fucking hope. But perhaps pmscal might someday evolve and become human.

[DrDetroit]

I still do not see you disputing any of the data that has been provided. Like I said, you are serial offender of attacking sources rather than the argument.

Heritage and CAGW identified over 6,000 projects in the transportation bill alone that it classified as pork and recommended rescinding.

For example, this bill included funding for flowers along the Ronald reagan freeway in California.

Bean counting? Excuse me, but why should residents from NY, MI, UT pay for flowers along the RR freeway in California?

Well?

I can only conclude that you do not believe that there is federal spending that could be cut as identified above by Heritage and CAGW.

[Mister Bushice]

If this data is so real why isn't this being brought up in congress as an issue? This is blatant mismanagement of funds.

[Mikey]

Both B and Mikey seems to agree with DeLay.

Liar.

Why do you insist on always mischaracterizing my posts?

I never said that I agreed with Delay on anything.
I was only calling out Deliar for posting unattributed and unofficial data without even a link.

I want to see official charts and tables from Departments of Labor, Commerce, Education and HHS, at least, or your post will have no relevance.

[BSmack]

I still do not see you disputing any of the data that has been provided. Like I said, you are serial offender of attacking sources rather than the argument.

And you are a fucking retard.

Next?

Heritage and CAGW identified over 6,000 projects in the transportation bill alone that it classified as pork and recommended rescinding. For example, this bill included funding for flowers along the Ronald reagan freeway in California.

I happen to like flowers along the freeways. Just think how ugly this picture would have looked had the Canadian government not sprung for some flowers.



It would have been too horrible for words.

Bean counting? Excuse me, but why should residents from NY, MI, UT pay for flowers along the RR freeway in California? Well?

Is it not an interstate? Do the states not subject themselves to federal authority in return for the blessings of the Interstate Highway System?

I can only conclude that you do not believe that there is federal spending that could be cut as identified above by Heritage and CAGW.

And I can only conclude that you are a simplistic twat who is unable to understand the difference between abuse of budgeted funds and Delay's assertion that the government has been cut to the point where it is politicaly impossible to cut any more.

And please don't bother to spin, because that was EXACTLY what Delay was saying.

[Mister Bushice]

Both B and Mikey seems to agree with DeLay.

Liar.

Why do you insist on always mischaracterizing my posts?

I never said that I agreed with Delay on anything.
I was only calling out Deliar for posting unattributed and unofficial data without even a link.

I want to see official charts and tables from Departments of Labor, Commerce, Education and HHS, at least, or your post will have no relevance.

"Truckload of Karma for Detroit, loading dock one."

:)

[DrDetroit]

If this data is so real why isn't this being brought up in congress as an issue? This is blatant mismanagement of funds.

Is so real? WTF is that? Wouldn't it make more sense to say, "If these projects are that unreasonable...?" English, motherfucker...

To answer your question...you mean you expect Congress to scrutinize its spending?

And I agree, this is blatant mismanagement of federal funds. But that's even obvious to the members of Congress.

[DrDetroit]

Both B and Mikey seems to agree with DeLay.

Liar.

Why do you insist on always mischaracterizing my posts?

I never said that I agreed with Delay on anything.
I was only calling out Deliar for posting unattributed and unofficial data without even a link.

I want to see official charts and tables from Departments of Labor, Commerce, Education and HHS, at least, or your post will have no relevance.

Uh, no. But you can attempt to mock me all you want. The flailing has been noted. And your silence on this substantive issue at hand can only suggest that you agree with DeLay.

I can't possibly mischaracterize your position here because you haven't provided one in the first place, dumbshit.

[DrDetroit]

Is it not an interstate? Do the states not subject themselves to federal authority in return for the blessings of the Interstate Highway System?

So, you believe that spending federal tax dollars on flowers along an interstate is appropriate and reasonable? No wonder you're a Democrat.

Using your logic, B, one could rationalize federal spending for nearly anything imaginable.

Sorry, but I don't think that way. Flowers simply are not necessary.

They are as unnecessary as federal funding for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

And I can only conclude that you are a simplistic twat who is unable to understand the difference between abuse of budgeted funds and Delay's assertion that the government has been cut to the point where it is politicaly impossible to cut any more.

I hadn't characterized it as misuse until my last post responding to Bushice.

In any case, how can you assert that the budget could not be further cut while acknowledging that the federal government is spending money on flowers along a roadway?

You're telling us that that funding couldn't be cut? In order to help pay for relief in NOLA and MS?

Pull your head out of your ass.

[Mister Bushice]

If this data is so real why isn't this being brought up in congress as an issue? This is blatant mismanagement of funds.

Is so real? WTF is that? Wouldn't it make more sense to say, "If these projects are that unreasonable...?" English, motherfucker...

To answer your question...you mean you expect Congress to scrutinize its spending?

And I agree, this is blatant mismanagement of federal funds. But that's even obvious to the members of Congress.

Then why is nothing done about it?

[DrDetroit]

Bushice...are you being serious?

Do you think that Congress is capable of providing oversight of its own behavior and actions?

Why do you think that Congress escaped any criticism from the two congressional 9/11 investigations despite having the authority to fund and the responsibility to provide oversight of the intelligence agencies, department of defense, etc.?

Why do you expect Congress to be able to scrutinize its behavior and actions in any meaningful way?

Look at the Roberts hearings. How many times did Roberts yesterday explain that Congress could do a better job being more clear in its legislative intentions? He did so because Congress routinely passes vague, even contradictory language that the courts are left to sort out and rather than cleaning it up, Congress simply defers to the Courts despite Congress being the Legislature and responsible for drafting and implementing legislation.

BTW - remember when Reagan attempted to drastically cut spending? What was the liberal/Democratic response? School lunches. It was always about school lunches. When Republicans gained control of Congress in the 90s and proposed spending cuts what was the liberal/Democratic response? The poor would be harmed, always the poor being harmed.

Now, granted, much has been cut, but can you identify any major programmatic cuts? Can you identify major cabinet departments being dissolved? Major entitlement reform?

Of course not, but you can quickly identify major spending increases like NCLB, Farm subsidies, Medciare Rx plan, etc.

When Bush proposed to cap spending increases to 4% the Democrats went nuts.

[BSmack]

Do you think that Congress is capable of providing oversight of its own behavior and actions?

So what you're saying is that the GOP majority is incapable of managing it's responsibilities.

Let's hope the voters remember that next November.

[DrDetroit]

Do you think that Congress is capable of providing oversight of its own behavior and actions?

So what you're saying is that the GOP majority is incapable of managing it's responsibilities.

Let's hope the voters remember that next November.

Why is it that you and Mikey are always compelled to inaccurately misstate my posts?

I said that Congress in incapable of providing oversight of its own behavior. Congress is perfectly capable of managing its responsibilities and has done so quite well, given that all 13 appropriations bills passed before october 1 this year. The problem is that Congress is incapable of cutting pork or resisting pork requests and refuses to actually remedy this type of shit spending.

[Mister Bushice]

I don't think that soldiers using government money for prostitutes meets the intended definition of "pork spending"

I may be wrong, but some how I think that Congress should be stepping in to investigate misuse of funds, which has nothing to do with cutting spending.

[DrDetroit]

I don't think that soldiers using government money for prostitutes meets the intended definition of "pork spending"

I didn't say it did. I merely posted it as a response to DeLay saying that there was nothing left to cut. The feds could easily eliminate handing out federal credit cards to employees and save tons of cash.

I may be wrong, but some how I think that Congress should be stepping in to investigate misuse of funds, which has nothing to do with cutting spending.

Dumbass, what do you think the Governmental Accounting Office does? Or the individual Department Inspector General's?

Don't act as though Congress hasn't stepped in to investigate fraud and misuse. Are you this naive?

The larger issue is pork spending...6,000 "pork" projects in the transportation appropriation bill alone.

Why are FL residents paying for expanding a parking garage in Montana? Get it, yet?

[BSmack]

Why is it that you and Mikey are always compelled to inaccurately misstate my posts?

You know, two negatives make a positive. Therefore if I am "inaccurately misstate" your posts, I am in fact accurately stating them.

[Mister Bushice]

I don't think that soldiers using government money for prostitutes meets the intended definition of "pork spending"

I didn't say it did. I merely posted it as a response to DeLay saying that there was nothing left to cut. The feds could easily eliminate handing out federal credit cards to employees and save tons of cash.

And the ball sails right over his head into centerfield.

I may be wrong, but some how I think that Congress should be stepping in to investigate misuse of funds, which has nothing to do with cutting spending.

Dumbass, what do you think the Governmental Accounting Office does? Or the individual Department Inspector General's?

Apparently, from this list, not anywhere near enough.

Don't act as though Congress hasn't stepped in to investigate fraud and misuse. Are you this naive?

140 billion dollars of wasted money? They obviously have hidden agendas if they're willing to let that slide on by.

[DrDetroit]

Why is it that you and Mikey are always compelled to inaccurately misstate my posts?

You know, two negatives make a positive. Therefore if I am "inaccurately misstate" your posts, I am in fact accurately stating them.

Good catch and my bad. I should have said, "inaccurately re-stating."

[DrDetroit]

And the ball sails right over his head into centerfield.

:roll:

Apparently, from this list, not anywhere near enough.

That's insightful. Nonetheless, it demonstrated that you are ignorant on this issue.

140 billion dollars of wasted money? They obviously have hidden agendas if they're willing to let that slide on by.

Dude, entire departments cannot account for billions of dollars appropriated to them by Congress. And this has been happening since...well...

The Department of Education still cannot properly audit their records from five years ago and cannot account for several billion on their own.

This is nothing new. The fact that it is nothing new demonstrates that Congress can neither properly account for $ nor properly appropriate $.

The fact remains that despite DeLay's comments, there are billions of dollars that could be cut.

End of story, Bushice.

What are you really arguing here?

[BSmack]

Dude, entire departments cannot account for billions of dollars appropriated to them by Congress. And this has been happening since...well...

The Department of Education still cannot properly audit their records from five years ago and cannot account for several billion on their own.

And let us not forget the DoD losing 10 billion or so in Iraq.

The question is not wether there is waste and ineficiency in federal government.

There is.

The question is wether or not there are specific functions of government that CAN be cut. And when we say CAN be cut, we mean to ask the following.

Does the political will exist within the body politic to make further cuts?

Delay is saying that said will does not exist. He may be wrong. But something tells me that when it comes to the very minute details of getting legislation through Congress, Tom Delay has a better chance of being right than you.

[Mister Bushice]

The fact that out of one side of your mouth they should cut spending nd congress is doing everything it should to over see its responsibilities, and out of the other side you're saying that no one knows how to count, or be held accountable.


How hard would it be to step up to the mike on the floor of congresss and say "why is the Air force and Navy not being held accountable for abusing government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes?

Or "why is no one stopping the bleeding on the $90 billion spent on programs deemed that were either ineffective, marginally adequate, or operating under a flawed purpose or design?"

How hard can it be to get a lost of them, and stop the flow of cash?

You DO know how hard it is to get a government grant? why shouldn't it be just as easy to stop money flowing to a useless purpose when they no longer meet requirements?

I mean after all, you did say they were capable of doing their jobs, right?

[DrDetroit]

The question is wether or not there are specific functions of government that CAN be cut.

Bullshit. While it's partly about eliminating functions, i.e., Department of Energy and Education, it's moreso about eliminating programs, as the CAGW release posted above.

And when we say CAN be cut, we mean to ask the following.

Who the fuck are you speaking for DeLay?

Does the political will exist within the body politic to make further cuts?

Yes, the will does exist, however, members are fearful of being tarred as mean-spirited and threatening the rights of women, minorities, children, etc. Guess who runs that crap?

Delay is saying that said will does not exist.

Who do you think you are speaking for DeLay and trying to revise his comments?

DeLay was quite clear in what he stated and he certainly doesn't need a lying scoundrel like you revising his comments.

[Mikey]

Both B and Mikey seems to agree with DeLay.

Liar.

Why do you insist on always mischaracterizing my posts?

I never said that I agreed with Delay on anything.
I was only calling out Deliar for posting unattributed and unofficial data without even a link.

I want to see official charts and tables from Departments of Labor, Commerce, Education and HHS, at least, or your post will have no relevance.

Uh, no. But you can attempt to mock me all you want. The flailing has been noted. And your silence on this substantive issue at hand can only suggest that you agree with DeLay.

I can't possibly mischaracterize your position here because you haven't provided one in the first place, dumbshit.

Why should I respond seriously to a post that's irrelevant in the first place?

I've been claiming for several years that the self-glossed "party of fiscal responsibility" is even more profligate than the "tax and spend liberals". Let's just call them the "borrow and spend so-called conservatives". What a fucking joke. Since they've been in power they've run up the biggest deficits in history, and your normal comeback is "well the Democrats would be even worse". OK let's see some statistics. Prove it, big guy.

As long as I'm here, let's take a look at just one of the bullets in your list

Washington spends tens of billions of dollars on failed and outdated programs such as the Rural Utilities Service, U.S. Geological Survey and Economic Development Association.

So you're saying that the Rural Utilities Service, the USGS and the (sic) Economic Development Association are all "failed and outdated"? Do you have any data or anything else to back up that claim? How many tens of billions? Do you even know if there actually is an "Economic Development Association" in the federal government?

(Hint: There isn't, dumbfuck)

[BSmack]

Yes, the will does exist, however, members are fearful of being tarred as mean-spirited and threatening the rights of women, minorities, children, etc.

No, members are fearful of pissing off those who give to their campaigns.

And yes, you just KOYA. Even you admit that the will does not exist for further reductions in governmental function.

[DrDetroit]

Mikey:

Why should I respond seriously to a post that's irrelevant in the first place?

No one asked you to...you may go now.

I've been claiming for several years that the self-glossed "party of fiscal responsibility" is even more profligate than the "tax and spend liberals".

Wrong. Federal spending has slowed (when you take out expenditures for Afghanistan and Iraq. ) down since Bush took office in 01.

Let's just call them the "borrow and spend so-called conservatives". What a fucking joke. Since they've been in power they've run up the biggest deficits in history, and your normal comeback is "well the Democrats would be even worse". OK let's see some statistics. Prove it, big guy.

Why is it my obligation to prove your uninformed speculation about what I might think? What kind of debate tactic is that?

Nominally the deficits are the largest ever. But so what? You guys are always whining that to talk about increasing wages you must compare that to the larger cost of living. The same applies whether you like it or not to deficits and the larger national economy. As a share of the economy these deficits are nowhere near the largest ever and represent a smaller share of the national economy that deficits historically have.

So whine all you want about expanding deficits in your little vacuum you inconsistent little cunt.

So you're saying that the Rural Utilities Service, the USGS and the (sic) Economic Development Association are all "failed and outdated"? Do you have any data or anything else to back up that claim? How many tens of billions? Do you even know if there actually is an "Economic Development Association" in the federal government?

Complain to the Heritage Foundation, I cited them as the source.

BTW - wtf is http://www.eda.gov/ if not what Heritage was referring to?

[Mister Bushice]

Wrong. Federal spending has slowed (when you take out expenditures for Afghanistan and Iraq. ) down since Bush took office in 01.

I just love this kind of justification. "except for all the murders, the crime rate is lower"

What a joke. Why do you think there's lesss spending elsewhere?

[DrDetroit]

Wrong. Federal spending has slowed (when you take out expenditures for Afghanistan and Iraq. ) down since Bush took office in 01.

I just love this kind of justification. "except for all the murders, the crime rate is lower"

What a joke. Why do you think there's lesss spending elsewhere?

I don't think I employed that type of justification, Bushice.

Iraq and Afghanistan represent atypical events that should be removed ackowledged, but only skew the picture when comparing year-to-year spending. It's called an outlier and outliers are typically removed during statistical analysis, hence, it is not improper to do so here.

But go ahead, ignore the data, as you did with military recruiting, and keep spouting your nonsense.