Jackboots taking legal guns in NOLA.

[Risa]

And I don't believe matial law was declared, but if I'm not mistaken (and I certainly could be) a federal disaster declaration has the same effect.

Rozy -- the news can occasionally be your friend. So can Google. Shouldn't take you more than about 2 minutes to read as many firsthand accounts of gun seizures as you need to believe it.

Is it time for the Second American Revolution yet? I was always told that if anyone tries to suspend the Bill of Rights, it's time to organize and mobilize. Our current liberal government will resist the will of the People, though.

Time to start burying the assault rifles in the strategic spots. Never thought this days would come. But, the bearing/burying of arms freed the Soviets from oppression, and it will here, as well.

Sad, sad times. Nice job at the voting booth, asswipes.

You are 100% correct. Blatantly biased, but correct. The current administration is simply picking up where the others left off.



WOLVERINES

oh you had to go there....



people need to show more love for the classics


(and rack you)

[Risa]

Right. But their homes are being siezed as well. Therefore it is no longer their home.

Don't get me wrong, this is disconcerting. But I'm trying to understand the situation completely.

The seizure of home is equally disconcerting as the seizure of firearms. You can foresee all sorts of eminent domain bullshit resulting from this. Land grabs galore.

It's scary, ain't it?

[Risa]

But that order apparently does not apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.

I'm going to go throw up now.

This is sick!

This is Amerika.
or Amerikkka.

same difference. yep. same kind of folks who would pat their sheriff on the back for blocking the only land route out of town, ayup.

all are to be blamed.

including us for voting these mother fuckers in;
and not fighting hard enough when they were
voted in.

[rozy]

Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Posts: 888

Unbelievable

[Risa]

Moving Sale,

Thanks for the corrections. Are you aware of how inhabitants of a building that has been condemned are compensated ?

You're the lawyer here so you're really the only one slippery enough :P to squirm into the tight loopholes the law provides. Which one's are they using ?

Or are they truly, merely boldly and disgustingly trampling on our Constitutional Rights ?

1. I live in a building. I am being forced to leave. Under what legal provision ? Or is this the first assault a person's rights ?

Here's your chance, take on the Supreme Court right here.


I believe this is wrong. I'm looking for the legal remedy to this. And please don't say "The Constitution", because as we've all been brainswashed to believe, "It's a living breathing document", 'Sup Roe, etc. .. etc...

How do we stop this ?

the government has always had the right to evict people off their own land.

hell, wasn't there this huge brouhaha up in one of the northern states about the Supreme Court ruling that it was alright for the government to seize land against the wishes of property owners because the government wanted to develop that land and put businesses on it?

and then there's the classic case of being right where the highway needed to be.

or being dislocated (never mind relocated) because your housing projects would make a really swank cornerstone for the city's new office complexes.

somebody had to remember that case from earlier this year, though. i know i didn't imagine it. they were pissed. and so was i, reading it.

this is where the forced migration question also comes in, again. who's gonna defend the rights of poor people, or are they hoping and praying very few of them want to come back?

it's one thing to move people out cuz the buildings have to be condemned. it's another thing entirely to think up ways not to compensate them because you know, you're the government and you can do whatever the fuck you want.

but nevermind me and my inanity: what's really gonna happen, here?

[Risa]

Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Posts: 888

Unbelievable

890 now, balee dat

[trev]

Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Posts: 888

Unbelievable

890 now, balee dat

You don't come on here for fun, do ya?

Rack rozy. :wink:

[rozy]

B-e-l-i-e-v-e w-h-a-t, you ignorant slunt?

[Risa]

B-e-l-i-e-v-e w-h-a-t, you ignorant slunt?

balee mah numbas.

(that's 'balee mah numbas' in southernese as well ;) , neck.
how you? )

[Diogenes]

A lawsuit in federal court against the city and state by one of the individuals so deprived of his rights.


Could possibly be brought in State court depending on the LA constitution.

So the "system" provides recourse for times when government overextends it's power.

Hell, even Randy Weaver has faith in the process.

Nothing here though,

http://www.nraila.org/News/Archives/Releases.aspx

That's intriguing in a "who owns who" kind of way.

Try the home page...

NRA-ILA Comments On Situation In New Orleans



Friday, September 09, 2005

Numerous media sources are reporting on a campaign by New Orleans city authorities to confiscate lawfully-owned firearms from people in the city. Louisiana statute does grant the government, during a state of emergency, broad powers in regulating and controlling firearms.

However, we have seen not just with Hurricane Katrina, but other similar situations, that when police are unable to control the criminal element, people turn to the one freedom that protects all others--the Second Amendment.

While one can certainly understand the dire predicaments of all those affected by Hurricane Katrina, as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal. And in truth, these restrictions make citizens less safe. Despite the valiant efforts of many law enforcement officers and rescue workers, too many of those left in the wake of Katrina are ultimately responsible for their own security and safety and that of their families and loved ones. This is especially true when communication is virtually non-existent and police can't be quickly summoned to respond to calls for help. At these times, lawful gun ownership is paramount to personal safety.

Of course, the entire situation in New Orleans is constantly in flux. But rest assured NRA is monitoring this situation very closely and will address any activity by the government that unduly infringes upon the rights of lawful gun owners at the appropriate time. As we learn more, we will report to our members accordingly. In the interim, however, we join with all Americans in offering our thoughts, prayers, and assistance to the victims and survivors of this terrible natural disaster.





And no, I didn't read any of Annies multiple posts.

Cliff's notes version?












Never mind, I don't want to know.

[Tom In VA]

I went here:

http://www.nra.org/

And clicked a link to the "News and Announcements" link I provided.

Thanks for providing that link.

[Moving Sale]

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain
Governments most commonly use the power of eminent domain when the acquisition of real property is necessary for the completion of a public project such as a road, and the owner of the required property is unwilling to negotiate a price for its sale. In many jurisdictions the power of eminent domain is tempered with a right that just compensation be made for the appropriation.

Some coined the term expropriation to refer to "appropriation" under eminent domain law, and may especially be used with regard to cases where no compensation is made for the confiscated property. Examples include the 1960 Cuban expropriation of property held by U.S. citizens, following a breakdown in economic and diplomatic relations between the Eisenhower Administration and the Cuban government under Fidel Castro.

The term "condemnation" is used to describe the act of a government exercising its authority of eminent domain. It is not to be confused with the term of the same name that describes the legal process whereby real property, generally a building, is deemed legally unfit for habitation due to its physical defects. Condemnation via eminent domain indicates the government is taking the property; usually, the only thing that remains to be decided is the amount of just compensation. Condemnation of buildings on grounds of health and safety hazards or gross zoning violation usually does not deprive the owner of the property condemned but requires the owner to rectify the offending situation.

Are you aware of how inhabitants of a building that has been condemned are compensated ?

It must be ‘just.’ That could be other land, cash, whateva.

Which one's are they using ?

Don’t know. They have three choices.
A) Justly compensate (See Lucas v S Carolina)
Or
B) Leave room to bring the building to code
Or
C) Let the land flood and say it is no longer usable (Sounds a bit Land-grabish-Castro-in-the-late50’s/early60’s to me)

Or are they truly, merely boldly and disgustingly trampling on our Constitutional Rights ?[

The people in the quarter who are on dry land? Most likely, unless there is a public health problem then they can be kicked out till it is safe to return.

1. I live in a building. I am being forced to leave. Under what legal provision ?

Public safety. The Local government must prove that there is a Rational Basis for the order. Happens every day in the ‘hood what with rats and roaches and the like.

I'm looking for the legal remedy to this.

Prove the land is yours and that it is habitable. No roaches etc. Short of that you should be paid.

And please don't say "The Constitution", because as we've all been brainswashed to believe, "It's a living breathing document", 'Sup Roe, etc. .. etc...

Living or not it says the states have all the (property) rights that we took from King George and didn’t give to the Feds, restrict with the Constitution or leave with the people. King George had the power to condemn flooded land and move the peasants out. If he compensated more power to him, but one could surmise that Castroed plenty of land.

How do we stop this ?

Fight the power.

Educate yourself.

Oh and get a gun…….

[Moving Sale]

...as we have learned throughout history, campaigns to disarm the lawful do nothing to disarm the criminal.

Fuck the 'criminal' argument, I'm worried about jackboots.

[Diogenes]

It must be ‘just.’ That could be other land, cash, whateva.

Based on the government's definition of 'just'.


Not very encouraging.

[Moving Sale]

Based on the government's definition of 'just'.

Not very encouraging.

"the compensation must be a full and perfect equivalent for the property taken"
Monongahela Navigation Co. v. U.S., 148 U.S. 312, 326 (1893)

So if they let it flood and it is then worthless, that's how much they get? Nothing? :?

[Moving Sale]

Some math:
215,091 (number of houses in NOLA) times 140,300 (Median price of a house in NOLA) equals $30,177,267,300.

$35,328,379,281 price tag for the war on drugs so far this year.

$193,536,210,173 price tag for the war in Iraq to date.

Billions and Billions.

Sin,
Carl Sagan

[Moving Sale]

HH,
Your thoughts?

[Bizzarofelice]

Neocons love pecan sandies.

[Headhunter]

Those aren't my thoughts.


Thoughts on what? should this thread stay, or go? Or are you wanting my thoughts on jackbooted thugs taking weapons in NOLA?

[Some Damn Retard]

Some math:
215,091 (number of houses in NOLA) times 140,300 (Median price of a house in NOLA) equals $30,177,267,300.

$35,328,379,281 price tag for the war on drugs so far this year.

$193,536,210,173 price tag for the war in Iraq to date.

Billions and Billions.

Sin,
Carl Sagan

I knew it. Bush let this hurricane happen on purpose so he could steal New Orleans for his oil cronies and because he hates black people and wants to shoot them.

:roll:

Yet the left would have you believe he is an idiot and a moron. Bush is smart like a fox to pull this hurricane plan off. Rack him.

[Risa]

Yet the left would have you believe he is an idiot and a moron. Bush is smart like a fox to pull this hurricane plan off. Rack him.

Willful negligence is always someone's plan.
It doesn't 'just happen'.

[Bizzarofelice]

Yet the left would have you believe he is an idiot and a moron.

Nu-kyoo-ler.

[Some Damn Retard]

Yet the left would have you believe he is an idiot and a moron.

Nu-kyoo-ler.

Al-gore-kerr-eee.

[Cuda]

Nice job at the voting booth, asswipes.

Word.

See what the fuck happens when you let anybody who wants to vote vote?

[DrDetroit]

RACK Mvscal!

Why can't our elected representatives be held accountable?

Why does Senator Landrieux (sp?) slam Bush and blame Bush for Katrina, yet refuse to point fingers at the state and local officials? Ignore the hypocrisy of the position of spewing blame in one direction but then claiming she doesn't want to engage in the blame game...her position totally ignores the obvious mistakes and negligence of the state and local folks.

The people that want to blame the state and local officials are also blaming the feds. Not that the leftys here or in the media recognize that who then attempt to spin it as though we are stridently defending Bush and holding the feds blameless. :roll:

[Risa]

Why does Senator Landrieux (sp?) slam Bush and blame Bush for Katrina, yet refuse to point fingers at the state and local officials?

actually, she praised him. she got called out for it on national television for her praise. but she praised.

and then she found out she had been used as part of a photo op. there was no real work being done. she felt used. she felt angry.

and that's when she sicced herself on Bush and the feds.




it's up to you whether you want to make an argument that somebody got a hold of her and told her she'd better change her tune or else. but these are democrats we're talking about. democrats are fucking weak. nobody has that much power in the party anymore (do they?)

even republicans have been dissing Bush, these past 2 weeks, man.

i say the turnaround was genuine.

[DrDetroit]

What "turn around" are you referring to? She's not blamed the state and locals at all. The first interview I aw with he that following Tuesday she was already blaming the feds and only the feds.

The problem is two-fold:

a) while she is quick to pin total responsibility on the feds, she then backtracks and says she won't point fingers at the state/locals because she doesn't want to pay the blame game; and

b) she simply doesn't believe that the state/locals f'ed up. That's a big problem because it defies reality.

[Diogenes]

New Orleans needs to ask Edwin Edwards and their long string of crooked mayors for some of that levee improvement money back.

This entire mess belongs at the feet of local guv.

Right is right. And in this case, Bush and the feds cannot be held solely responsible.



Where was that article that showed the fed response time was quicker in NOLA than for Andrew, Francine, etc.? Didn't anyone read it?!

This one do?

Jack Kelly: No shame
The federal response to Katrina was not as portrayed
Sunday, September 11, 2005

It is settled wisdom among journalists that the federal response to the devastation wrought by Hurricane Katrina was unconscionably slow.


Jack Kelly is national security writer for the Post-Gazette and The Blade of Toledo, Ohio (jkelly@post-gazette.com, 412-263-1476).

"Mr. Bush's performance last week will rank as one of the worst ever during a dire national emergency," wrote New York Times columnist Bob Herbert in a somewhat more strident expression of the conventional wisdom.

But the conventional wisdom is the opposite of the truth.

Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief. He notes that:

"The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne."

For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 1992. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three.

Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out.

So they libel as a "national disgrace" the most monumental and successful disaster relief operation in world history.

I write this column a week and a day after the main levee protecting New Orleans breached. In the course of that week:

More than 32,000 people have been rescued, many plucked from rooftops by Coast Guard helicopters.

The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans.

Shelter, food and medical care have been provided to more than 180,000 refugees.

Journalists complain that it took a whole week to do this. A former Air Force logistics officer had some words of advice for us in the Fourth Estate on his blog, Moltenthought:

"We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on 'Star Trek' in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering.

"The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network.

"You cannot speed recovery and relief efforts up by prepositioning assets (in the affected areas) since the assets are endangered by the very storm which destroyed the region.

"No amount of yelling, crying and mustering of moral indignation will change any of the facts above."

"You cannot just snap your fingers and make the military appear somewhere," van Steenwyk said.

Guardsmen need to receive mobilization orders; report to their armories; draw equipment; receive orders and convoy to the disaster area. Guardsmen driving down from Pennsylvania or Navy ships sailing from Norfolk can't be on the scene immediately.

Relief efforts must be planned. Other than prepositioning supplies near the area likely to be afflicted (which was done quite efficiently), this cannot be done until the hurricane has struck and a damage assessment can be made. There must be a route reconnaissance to determine if roads are open, and bridges along the way can bear the weight of heavily laden trucks.

And federal troops and Guardsmen from other states cannot be sent to a disaster area until their presence has been requested by the governors of the afflicted states.

Exhibit A on the bill of indictment of federal sluggishness is that it took four days before most people were evacuated from the Louisiana Superdome.

The levee broke Tuesday morning. Buses had to be rounded up and driven from Houston to New Orleans across debris-strewn roads. The first ones arrived Wednesday evening. That seems pretty fast to me.

A better question -- which few journalists ask -- is why weren't the roughly 2,000 municipal and school buses in New Orleans utilized to take people out of the city before Katrina struck?

(Correction/Clarification: (Published 9/12/05) -- Hurricane Andrew struck Florida in 1992, not 2002.)

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05254/568876.stm

[Diogenes]

http://www.drj.com/special/andrew.html