irony

[bradhusker]

it really is ironic, dont ya think?
new orleans is about 70% african american, THUS, they elected an african american mayor, who, because he failed to act, basically signed the death warrants for about 5 to 6 thousand of the good folks who voted him into office,
lets talk turkey here,
the good mayor Ray, had in his charge, some 2000 school busses, and another 500+ metro busses, THUS, if he was a true leader, with balls and vision, and if he really cared for the folks in his city, too poor to leave on their own, HE WOULD HAVE SAFELY TRANSPORTED some 10,000 of the poorest of the poor, to safer places, away from the killer storm,
HOWEVER, what kind of mayor do we have in the big easy?
a stupid jerk, with a vagina and no balls, who screamed at the president of the united states, just to take the focus off of his sorry pathetic ass, I REPEAT, mayor ray FAILED in every possible way,
and, because of this, up to 10,000 probably died, and all he had to do, was transport them out of harms way, and, of course, no democrats will have the balls to mention this fact, instead they will look to dis-credit the president, and fail to see the real incompetence, BEFORE a killer cat 5 storm comes, if your state leaders fail to transport their poorest of the poor, safely out of harms way, in effect, they are sentencing them to death, this is a fact,
I hope the mayor is haunted by the fact, that he had in his power, the ability to safely transport his poorest of the poor, and because he failed, they died, in the coming months, I want him to live with this knowledge, and I want him to get on his knees, and beg for forgiveness, and cry before an entire nation, and then, he should be fired,

[tough love]

Agree
If poser Ray had and integrity at all, he would just shut up now and place his head on the chopping block.

Still; there are others who will be held responcible for the biggest cluster fuc in the history of America.
Will all of those deserving to be held accountable get their propers, prolly not, but for sure, your good Mayor Ray will not suffer alone for this colossal breakdown in humanity.

[Mister Bushice]

it really is ironic, dont ya think?
new orleans is about 70% african american, THUS, they elected an african american mayor, who, because he failed to act, basically signed the death warrants for about 5 to 6 thousand of the good folks who voted him into office,
lets talk turkey here,
the good mayor Ray, had in his charge, some 2000 school busses, and another 500+ metro busses, THUS, if he was a true leader, with balls and vision, and if he really cared for the folks in his city, too poor to leave on their own, HE WOULD HAVE SAFELY TRANSPORTED some 10,000 of the poorest of the poor, to safer places, away from the killer storm,

Actually, They WERE evacuating people, but many refused to go, staying in their homes. The limited police force (1500) was attempting to evacuate a population of 500,000 in two days. Many who died refused to leave. Some could not be moved given the limited amount of assistance they had, especially bedridden hospital patients.

As for the buses, the mayor requested long distance buses be sent from companies such as trailways, greyhound, etc and none came. If you know anything about school buses, they take a LOT of wear and tear on local roads, and are unreliable for long distances. Taking more people to the superdome would NOT have been a viable solution.

HOWEVER, what kind of mayor do we have in the big easy?
a stupid jerk, with a vagina and no balls, who screamed at the president of the united states, just to take the focus off of his sorry pathetic ass, I REPEAT, mayor ray FAILED in every possible way,
and, because of this, up to 10,000 probably died, and all he had to do, was transport them out of harms way, and, of course, no democrats will have the balls to mention this fact, instead they will look to dis-credit the president, and fail to see the real incompetence, BEFORE a killer cat 5 storm comes, if your state leaders fail to transport their poorest of the poor, safely out of harms way, in effect, they are sentencing them to death, this is a fact,
I hope the mayor is haunted by the fact, that he had in his power, the ability to safely transport his poorest of the poor, and because he failed, they died, in the coming months, I want him to live with this knowledge, and I want him to get on his knees, and beg for forgiveness, and cry before an entire nation, and then, he should be fired,

Actaully, much of the death occurred after the Levees broke. By then, cries for help were being painted on the rooftops of houses. No one knew how many were in the houses because they hid there. You can't expect 1500 people to inspect and evacuate 50,000 homes in 2 days.

Certainly he could have done more, but post storm, he did not have the resources. Buses don't work too well in 10 feet of water.

[tough love]

Mr B Wrote:
If you know anything about school buses, they take a LOT of wear and tear on local roads, and are unreliable for long distances.

Don't think so.
At least not the ones I see transporting kids across the 500 miles of my municipality 5 day/week during the school year.

Also; there are school bus charters constantly traveling the hyways as well.

Not that it matters now.

[bradhusker]

Mr. Bushice, congratulations! your response to my post is HANDS DOWN, the single most idiotic response of all time,

not only did he have school busses at his disposal, but he also had the entire fleet of metro busses as well, AND, he didnt have to evacuate an entire city, just some 10 to 20,000 of the extreme poor, which HE FAILED to do, he got his ass the hell out of there, leaving behind the most frail individuals who voted him into office, THICK IRONY!

Mr. Bushice, your feeble attempts to cover up for that cowardly mayor, are pathetic and laughable, you must be one stupid son of a bitch, not only is 3 entire days plenty of time to scoop up the poorest of the poor, BUT, had he of acted, we wouldnt have some 5- 10,000 dead right now, simply put, those folks died because RAY NAGIN left them in a 12 ft below sea level cofffin, end of story,
you are a fuckin joke ,

[BSmack]

As for the buses, the mayor requested long distance buses be sent from companies such as trailways, greyhound, etc and none came. If you know anything about school buses, they take a LOT of wear and tear on local roads, and are unreliable for long distances.

Stop making excuses for that piece of shit. He had over 400 buses at his immediate disposal and those buses were part of the emergency evacuation planning they had done. These same players even had a full dress rehearsal last year with Ivan.

He did NOTHING to get those people out. Not one goddamn thing. He panicked. He ditched the plan and he hauled ass to Baton Rouge. He failed in his primary responsibility.

Nagin's incompetence, his stupidity and his cowardice have nothing to do with the Federal government. Evacuations are a local and state responsibility.

What do you want from a Republican?

Oh, you didn't know that Nagin was a Republican? He just switched affiliations to win in NO.

And here I've been defending him.

And I'll still defend him as long as you clowns trying to cover for Chimpy fail to present a compelling case.

BTW: Did you know that Nagin did not support Blanco in the last election? That he has supported Dubya in the past?

Some payback he has gotten from that halfwit chimp.

[BSmack]

I don't give a rat's fucking dick what letter he has after his name. A fuck up is a fuck up.

Need a thicker maxipad?

[Mister Bushice]

Mr. Bushice, congratulations! your response to my post is HANDS DOWN, the single most idiotic response of all time,

not only did he have school busses at his disposal, but he also had the entire fleet of metro busses as well,

Mr. Bushice, your feeble attempts to cover up for that cowardly mayor, are pathetic and laughable, you must be one stupid son of a bitch, not only is 3 entire days plenty of time to scoop up the poorest of the poor, BUT, had he of acted, we wouldnt have some 5- 10,000 dead right now, simply put, those folks died because RAY NAGIN left them in a 12 ft below sea level cofffin, end of story,
you are a fuckin joke ,

After seeing that slide show on main street , I can understand a little more about why the locals didn't rush the buses out. There WAS damage, but mostly trees and older buildings

The storm itself did little flood damage. However, once the levees broke, it was all over. All the rules changed.

And that is where federal response dropped the ball.

Like I said, you can't make people leave when you don't know where they are, and many, many of the poor hid in their homes refusing to leave when they were told to. Sorry, but, you play your hand and you take your chances.

NEW ORLEANS - Soldiers coaxed some of Hurricane Katrina's stubborn holdouts from their homes Wednesday after the mayor ordered all 10,000 or so residents still in this ruined city evacuated � by force if necessary � because of the risk of fires and disease. "I haven't left my house in my life. I don't want to leave," said a frail-looking 86-year-old Anthony Charbonnet, shaking his head as he locked his front door and walked slowly backwards down the steps of the house where he had lived since 1955.

Patricia Kelly, 41, sat under a tattered, dirty green-and-white-striped patio umbrella in front of an abandoned barber and beauty shop in the devastated Ninth Ward. Her home was flooded; she was not able to get back in, but did not want to leave the neighborhood.

"I'm going to stay as long as the Lord says so," Kelly said. "If they come with a court order, then we'll leave. I hope it doesn't get to the point where we're forced out."

Despite the numbers you are talking about, you still have to do a house to house search to actually find those 10 to 20 thousand you speak of, and a small amount of people searching through thousands upon thousands of homes is not logistically possible when you have to also watch for looters and help those who you CAN find that need help.

He's not fully without blame, but it is certainly shared blame by many.

[Mister Bushice]

but when it was evident that local supplies were exhausted and the situation had gone from bad to catastrophic, the feds should have stepped in.

and BTW they DID leave food and water at the dome, but 20,000 plus people went through that before help came.

And the national Guard was on duty, just not enough of them.

Local cops aren't worth a shit. Especially if they're fat black females who double as looters.

Don't know about the state cops, but NOLA is a small part of that state. Once the flooding began, no way could they be of much use.

[Mister Bushice]

Pretty damn hard to send in troops you don't have.

Pretty damn hard to send in helicopters you don't have.

Pretty damn hard to send in army engineers you don't have.

IOW once the levees broke, the feds should have acted IMMEDIATELY, not days later.

[Mister Bushice]

Pretty damn hard to send in troops you don't have.

Pretty damn hard to send in helicopters you don't have.

Pretty damn hard to send in army engineers you don't have.

They have all of those in the Louisana National Guard.

Which was requested by the mayor, along with a requested declaration of martial law. So how is that lack of response his fault?

IOW once the levees broke, the feds should have acted IMMEDIATELY, not days later.

Acted immediately, huh? What sort of "action"?

Be specific.

Levee breaks, floodwaters rise, looting and shooting starts, declare and enforce martial law.

Of course, congress and bush would have had to cut short their vacations by 2 days or more.

Can't have that, can we?

[tough love]

mv wrote:
Acted immediately, huh? What sort of "action"?

Be specific.

I'll take, caring action, for my 2 cents, Alex.

[Tom In VA]

Today ?

[Mister Bushice]

Which was requested by the mayor, along with a requested declaration of martial law. So how is that lack of response his fault?

That would be on the governor.

Levee breaks, floodwaters rise, looting and shooting starts, declare and enforce martial law.

The Governor has that authority. In fact, she has that responsibility. The Feds did in fact try to get her to cede control over to them, but she dithered and asked for 24 hours to "think about it" and then refused.

It looks like she also just shot down Nagin by refusing to order a forcible evacuation of the remaining people. I guess she must need some more time to "think about it."

So in other words, the Mayor was correct in his assessment of the situation when he stated he asked for help but it never came.

Thought so.

[bradhusker]

again Mr. Bushice, stop the bullshit.

3 days BEFORE the storm came, I SAID BEFORE, that means the roads were not blocked you STUPID FUCK, god almighty, you are one dumb idiotic fuck ass,

ONLY THE MAYOR, no one else, just Ray NAGIN, the man in charge of the city of new orleans, could have easily transported some 15,000 extreme poor folks who voted him into office, the BITTER THICK IRONY here is this, these poor folks actually voted in one of there OWN, Ray Nagin is african american, and he FAILED to save his OWN PEOPLE, PERIOD!!!!!!

today, chief eddie compass, of the new orleans police department,
told how at the new orleans convention center, his officers were being SHOT AT! imagine what kind of stupid animal it takes to shoot at police officers, while they are trying to help people,
fuckin shit?
the chief of police explained how his officers are being shot at every day, and celine dion, that stupid french canadian singer, cries on larry king live, quote, " let them loot, let them take whatever they want" let them rape, let them murder, they are so poor, they have never had nice things, they have never had a pretty girl, so let them have it"
FUCK YOU you stupid french canadian bitch, shut your fuckin cunt mouth, let the police do their job, they are fuckin getting shot at for god's sake, trying to help the poor folks,
there have been reports over in Houston, at the astrodome, knife attacks, poor folks stealing "honey buns" from each other, these sick fucks are acting like animals,
which brings me to my next point,
even animals knew to get to higher ground before katrina struck,
even filthy creatures knew enough, had the good sense to get to higher ground, out of the way of a killer storm, NOW, the crippled, the weak and frail, the elderly and the extreme poor could have been saved by their mayor, BUT, mayor ray nagin FAILED his own people,
what a terrible tragedy, I really feel sad about the entire thing,
BUT, I will shout out in anger at sean penn, oprah winfrey, jesse jackson, al sharpton, and any other sick fucks who go after george bush, while refusing to realize that ray nagin failed to save his own people,
FUCK YOU, you cant fool smart folks, you only persuade the stupid amongst us, but as for myself? I expose you for the cowardly fucks that you are,

[Mister Bushice]

again Mr. Bushice, stop the bullshit.

3 days BEFORE the storm came,

It could have turned south. Enough said.

I SAID BEFORE, that means the roads were not blocked you STUPID FUCK, god almighty, you are one dumb idiotic fuck ass,

But I ain't melting down like you am I? ;)

ONLY THE MAYOR, no one else, just Ray NAGIN, the man in charge of the city of new orleans, could have easily transported some 15,000 extreme poor folks who voted him into office, the BITTER THICK IRONY here is this, these poor folks actually voted in one of there OWN, Ray Nagin is african american, and he FAILED to save his OWN PEOPLE, PERIOD!!!!!!

Most of them refused to leave. TO this day, thousands refuse, and await a court order. Not the mayors fault. They interviewed several on Koppell tonight. Protecting their property, taking care of neighbors when they can.
The true American spirit.

today, chief eddie compass, of the new orleans police department,
told how at the new orleans convention center, his officers were being SHOT AT! imagine what kind of stupid animal it takes to shoot at police officers, while they are trying to help people,
fuckin shit?

Eddie compass may have gotten lost. The fuckers shooting were drug addicts looking for a fix, or people driven crazy with access to guns. If the feds had come in at that point as requested by the mayor, no problem.

the chief of police explained how his officers are being shot at every day, and celine dion, that stupid french canadian singer, cries on larry king live, quote, " let them loot, let them take whatever they want" let them rape, let them murder, they are so poor, they have never had nice things, they have never had a pretty girl, so let them have it"
FUCK YOU you stupid french canadian bitch, shut your fuckin cunt mouth, let the police do their job, they are fuckin getting shot at for god's sake, trying to help the poor folks,

Now, I'm worried for your mental health. You not only listened to Celine Dion, you expected intelligence.

there have been reports over in Houston, at the astrodome, knife attacks, poor folks stealing "honey buns" from each other, these sick fucks are acting like animals, which brings me to my next point,

Hopefully that means we have reached the top of your head and this will be done soon.

even animals knew to get to higher ground before katrina struck,
even filthy creatures knew enough, had the good sense to get to higher ground, out of the way of a killer storm, NOW, the crippled, the weak and frail, the elderly and the extreme poor could have been saved by their mayor, BUT, mayor ray nagin FAILED his own people,

Many of them refused to go. Sotry after story reflects this. People who have NEVER left their homes in their entire lives, and would rather die living in them than to be resettled elsewhere.

what a terrible tragedy, I really feel sad about the entire thing,

If you don't like the weather, MOVE.

BUT, I will shout out in anger at sean penn, oprah winfrey, jesse jackson, al sharpton, and any other sick fucks who go after george bush, while refusing to realize that ray nagin failed to save his own people,

Again with the soul dead celebrities having meaning or influence? I was willing to give you an ounce of sense before this post, but my distribution center has been closed, and you are now shit out of brains.

FUCK YOU, you cant fool smart folks, you only persuade the stupid amongst us, but as for myself? I expose you for the cowardly fucks that you are,

Good thing you are monitoring their TV broadcasts, soldier. Keep it up. You may soon qualify for a K mart "smart buyer" badge.

[tough love]

Brad Wrote:
and celine dion, that stupid french canadian singer, cries on larry king live, quote, " let them loot, let them take whatever they want" let them rape, let them murder, they are so poor, they have never had nice things, they have never had a pretty girl, so let them have it"
FUCK YOU you stupid french canadian bitch, shut your fuckin cunt mouth, let the police do their job, they are fuckin getting shot at for god's sake, trying to help the poor folks,

Parapharsing a guest comic on Conan ->Celine on Larry King said, "those looters were not trying to steal anything...they just wanted to touch those things that they could never afford owning, you know like DVD's and HD TV's."



Viva Las Vegas.
They can keep that prima whackjob.

[DrDetroit]

Bushice, stop lying.

If the feds had come in at that point as requested by the mayor, no problem.

The mayor didn't have the authority to request federal assistance. He was responsibile for communicating requests for assistance to the Governor. The Governor is then responsible for providing assistance.

In this instance, as Blanco told us, Bush called on her Tuesday to declare a state of emergency and to unify the command structure. She said she need 24 hours and then rejected Bush's proposal.

The Governor must request assistance from the federal government. You know this, yet, you'll continue to blast Bush for the clear failure of the local and state officials.

Remember, that on Saturday before the storm, Bush declared a federal state of emergency for the gulf states. Blanco did not. Blanco, like every other Governor, knows that NG personnel have 72 hours to report. She had an obligation to start the call-up at least on Saturday to get personnel to their bases. She didn't. By Monday it was too late.

BTW - the hurricane and the flood were not separate events. The City was already flooded before the two levees failed.

[tough love]

Parapharsing one report from BBC News, Katrina Coverage:
Nine days later, dead bodies still remain unattended while crews stand around with their fingers up their asses saying they can only do what they are ordered to do, and when asked what their orders are, they answer, 'as of now, we have no orders.
No one can tell you when those decaying bodies will be retreaved, and no one seems to know who is, or will be in charge of collecting the human remains.

That report came with pics of floaters, as well as the land dead being ignored while some did road repairs near to them, while others, many others just stood around waiting to be told what to do.

Not a pretty picture if it were coming out of a third world country, a freakin travesty seeing that coming outta America.

That I saw on last nites news.

Hopefully tonites news (10 days after that shit hit) shows a better semblance of orgainization.
All I can reacon is that when a country has a moron at the top...you know the rest.


A picture being worth a thousand denials and deflections,
this flood of shame will rightfully bring a flood of blame.

How could it not?

[Tom In VA]

Parapharsing one report from BBC News, Katrina Coverage:
Nine days later, dead bodies still remain unattended while crews stand around with their fingers up their asses saying they can only do what they are ordered to do, and when asked what their orders are, they answer, 'as of now, we have no orders.
No one can tell you when those decaying bodies will be retreaved, and no one seems to know who is, or will be in charge of collecting the human remains.

That report came with pics of floaters, as well as the land dead being ignored while some did road repairs near to them, while others, many others just stood around waiting to be told what to do.

Not a pretty picture if it were coming out of a third world country, a freakin travesty seeing that coming outta America.

That I saw on last nites news.

Hopefully tonites news (10 days after that shit hit) shows a better semblance of orgainization.
All I can reacon is that when a country has a moron at the top...you know the rest.


A picture being worth a thousand denials and deflections,
this flood of shame will rightfully bring a flood of blame.

How could it not?

Let's get one thing straight America is a country filled with human beings. We're actually no different than the people in third world countries. We have the same needs. Americans, poor and rich alike, just have more stuff and easier access to basic necessities. We also have a system of government that minimizes the impact of corruption within infrastructure and holds people accountable, i.e. checks and balances, election cycles.


But yeah a flood of blame will be good. That will bring the dead back for sure.

[tough love]

Tom Wrote:
Let's get one thing straight America is a country filled with human beings.

Some of which were/*are (*haven't had time yet to catch up on what's been going on there today) left to float dead like they were discarded debree without dignity.
Just pathetic.

We're actually no different than the people in third world countries.

Which is what the world is seeing, and in some ways even worse

We have the same needs. Americans, poor and rich alike, just have more stuff and easier access to basic necessities.

Which is what makes the sight of what is now occuring appear to be as bizarre as it does

We also have a system of government that minimizes the impact of corruption within infrastructure and holds people accountable, i.e. checks and balances, election cycles.

Perhaps someday we could get into that a tad deeper
IMO..Both our rich man systems are completely out of whack when it comes to being there to serve the public good.

But yeah a flood of blame will be good. That will bring the dead back for sure.

Can't bring the dead back, but most certainly could prevent future needless deaths from occuring again.
Criticism and self examination can be positive.
What can be gained from ignoring or defending stupidity, 'cept for more of the same.

pssst...you threw 'em soft on purpose, didn't you, my good brother?

[Mister Bushice]

again Mr. Bushice, stop the bullshit.

3 days BEFORE the storm came,

It could have turned south. Enough said.

So fucking what?

So should they evacuate 100,000 people from florida now, or wait until they can determine if the storm is actually going to make landfall?

[bbqjones]

So should they evacuate 100,000 people from florida now, or wait until they can determine if the storm is actually going to make landfall?

if i told FEMA that my wife already spent our $2000 dollar debit card, who will take me in. who will haver me sleep on their couch and eat hamburgler helper?

[Tom In VA]

pssst...you threw 'em soft on purpose, didn't you, my good brother?

Of course.

Seriously, it's too bad to see the rest of the world so disappointed that we're human. Vulnerable and not the monsters we're purported to be. A bit shaken up from the attack, two wars, and these natural disasters.

No need to stop your gaze of disgust at greed here in the West, there's plenty of that to around. In fact I'd suggest the entire world has more greed in it than water. I don't know about yours but my bible indicates the only greed I need to keep in check is my own.

As for the dead, they're being treated with as much respect as possible, I'm sure. Furthermore I'm sure a memorial to them will be constructed someday, especially for the countless ones swept back out to sea and the ones we will be unable to identify.

[tough love]

Tom Wrote:
As for the dead, they're being treated with as much respect as possible, I'm sure.

If you count being given the status of being the MVP in the Spot The Floater game as respect, then I would have to agree.
BtW...Aren't you the same guy who is also SURE that nazi spawn Bu$h is a great leader, or an honest leader, or actually has a clue, or something like that?

Bible Question:
What was the Lords take on greed in the temple?

I call it like I see it, and me thinks that God is beginning to river dance all over the wwgreed.


You may call me a toe tapper. :wink:

[Tom In VA]

Tom Wrote:
As for the dead, they're being treated with as much respect as possible, I'm sure.

If you count being given the status of being the MVP in the Spot The Floater game as respect, then I would have to agree.
BtW...Aren't you the same guy who is also SURE that nazi spawn Bu$h is a great leader, or an honest leader, or actually has a clue, or something like that?

Bible Question:
What was the Lords take on greed in the temple?

I call it like I see it, and me thinks that God is beginning to river dance all over the wwgreed.


You may call me a toe tapper. :wink:

Was Christ angry at the "greed" in the temple or that they were using The Father's house to earn their living and sell their warez ? Kind of like if I had you in my house, and you took a big shit in my living room. I'm not pissed that you had to shit, just where you chose to do so.


Dude, there's a flood. When there's a flood, things happen. One of the things that happens is that people die. It's perfectly natural. It's also perfectly natural in that situation to focus more on helping the people alive first, finding a remedy to the water situation, and then find, identify, memorialize and offer up the dead. Have a problem with them floating ? You'll have to take that up with the Man upstairs and the bio-chemical "things" that occur as carbon lifeforms decompose. That's not my bag.

Bush, or Bu$h, is our leader. I was not a Bush fan, I wanted to vote for McCain or Powell. Out of Gore and Bush, I felt Bush was the lesser of two evils.

8-9 Months after he was sworn in, the U.S. was attacked in a brilliantly planned, and executed terrorist attack. An attack that made the Cole, the OKC Bombing, and all other attacks against my country look like the functional equivalent of kids putting an M-80 in the neighbor's mailbox.

One of the primary responsibilities of the Federal Government is to protect the U.S. Republicans have been historically strong on defense. I appreciate that.

Anyway, Bush became my President, because I felt:

1. Powerless, he was in, and he was what we had. Rally behind the man and hope for the best because there isn't much we can do about it until 2004.

2. There was a side of him that I saw after the attack, a genuine side, a command presence that seemed to be manifested in him.

I trusted, not blindly, but logically, in the man's intentions.


Furthermore, I'm a firm believer in everything happens for a reason. God is not obligated to share those reasons with me. Historically, it always seems the right man ,was in place, at the right time. Washington, the Founding Fathers, Abe Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, Ike, Bradley, Patton, etc... etc..

It was only a "Simple Twist of Fate" that we reflect upon 9-11-2001, as opposed to 9-11-2000, or 9-11-1999 tomorrow.

Bush might be leading us to rough road, he might be leading us out of the darkness, I don't know. But I believe Bush is the President for a reason, a necessary reason. If my country is due to a "humbling", then so be it. There isn't a thing in the world I can do to stop it. God works in mysterious ways.

Recall, our bible, the stories of Peter, Saul/Paul, Thomas, the apostles. Recall even that Judas played his part and it was meant to be that he betray Christ, in order that the prophecies be fullfilled.

I'm not seeing the "facism" you and others point out being the sole agenda of the Bush Administration. I do see an evolution towards that over a period of decades. I view that as more an issue of the population and the voters than I do Bush, his family, and the other conspirators in the RNC and DNC.

The people clamor for handouts, the people clamor for security at levels unheard of before the 20th century, the people clamor for protection from evil businessmen, evil people, and evil. The people clamor, the government answers, the government gets more power.

In America, we get the government we deserve and wish for.

In life, "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it" and it isn't always what you expect.

Sorry so long, but I'm in a mood. They're taking guns away in LA, shocking precedents are being set with this hurricane.


Wave that flag
Wave it wide and high
Summertime done
Come and gone
My oh my


Back to back/chicken shack
Son of a gun/better change your act
We're all confused/what's to lose?
You can call this song/the United States Blues


Wave that flag
Wave it wide and high
Summertime done come and gone
My oh My
Summertime done come and gone
My oh My


So again my friend, is Bush the beginning and the end ? Or is he just a bit player in this great plan ?

I don't know. But we've got him, for the next 3.5 years, might as well maintain a positive attitude and press on.

[stuckinia]

So in other words, the Mayor was correct in his assessment of the situation when he stated he asked for help but it never came.

Thought so.

Unfortunately for your argument, the help had to come from the Governor. The Feds could do nothing until that worthless, sobbing bitch got off her hormone driven power play and requested help.

[tough love]

Tom Wrote:
Was Christ angry at the "greed" in the temple or that they were using The Father's house to earn their living and sell their warez ? Kind of like if I had you in my house, and you took a big shit in my living room. I'm not pissed that you had to shit, just where you chose to do so.

Colorful but no cigar, plus we don't do that here.

After crossing myself with the holy water, proceeding to find a place to sit, one of the church attendents psssts me back to the entrance way because he wants to know if I want to buy some church sponsored football lottery tickets for the next big game.

Go Bingo :?


Dude, there's a flood. When there's a flood, things happen. One of the things that happens is that people die. It's perfectly natural. It's also perfectly natural in that situation to focus more on helping the people alive first, finding a remedy to the water situation, and then find, identify, memorialize and offer up the dead. Have a problem with them floating ? You'll have to take that up with the Man upstairs and the bio-chemical "things" that occur as carbon lifeforms decompose. That's not my bag.

Apparently; even after nine days, it still wasn't anyone elses bag either.

The ironic part of it all is that the horror of that lack of responce is being provided by the very country which boasts to be the greatest and mightiest of them all.
I can't recall ever seeing the same degree of disregard and disorgainization coming from others, including third world countries.

Sorta makes it all worthwhile. :twisted:

Bush, or Bu$h, is our leader. I was not a Bush fan, I wanted to vote for McCain or Powell. Out of Gore and Bush, I felt Bush was the lesser of two evils.

I hear you there.
Both our countries have been cursed without true leadership for some time now.
Prolly what comes from turning our backs on our Creator

Btw, great speach, Carl. :)