former clinton advisor----'i told u so'

[mothster]

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/interna ... 55,00.html


FORMER CLINTON ADVISOR

"No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"

By Sidney Blumenthal

In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.

[Hapday]

:roll: :roll:

[Bizzarofelice]

The fundng hasn't been there for decades. No need to blame chimpy for this one.

[titlover]

America was a utopia before Bush.

Sin,
leftist retards

[titlover]

Congress controls Federal funding.

Sin,
MA

Gov't Prof.

[Bizzarofelice]

The only thing that might have worked is a system like the Dutch built after they got flooded out back in the 50s.

Crafty bastards have taken back more land than the Palestinians could dream of.

North Sea finna take it back in the coming years.

[Dinsdale]

In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S.

As far as I know, that has never been discussed by anyone.

Forgive pmsgal. He's having a bad brain day.

[Dinsdale]

I was talking about the system the Dutch built, you fucking moron.

So you gave the related point its own paragraph?

Keep up with all the "moron" accusations -- it's funny. Your grammatical shortcomings equate to other people being "morons"......to die for funny.

[tough love]

Titlover Wrote:
America was a utopia before Bush.

Without doubt; practically the whole of this earth was better off before that bull got loose, especially your country.

I recall a time when America was able to withstand weather related damage without sending folks, the price of fuel, and goods and services completely outta whack; and your idiot ain't done yet.

It's gotta suck being a P_Ugh in denial while your leaders own handywork is splattering your walls like a shithouse rolling downhill.

Good luck with that.


Here's a thought, let the Dutch re-build New Orleans.

[titlover]

Titlover Wrote:
America was a utopia before Bush.

Without doubt; practically the whole of this earth was better off before that bull got loose, especially your country.

I recall a time when America was able to withstand weather related damage without sending folks, the price of fuel, and goods and services completely outta whack; and your idiot ain't done yet.

It's gotta suck being a P_Ugh in denial while your leaders own handywork is splattering your walls like a shithouse rolling downhill.

Good luck with that.


Here's a thought, let the Dutch re-build New Orleans.

go suck off a Canadian Mounty.

[Tom In VA]

It's gotta suck being a P_Ugh in denial

Denial about what ?

[tough love]

What denial?















No denial to see here, move along now.

[Tom In VA]

Well c'mon now, be specific, let me at least deny that I'm denying something specific. You wouldn't deny a nice discussion on that would you ?

Don't deny it, you want to.

[tough love]

Okay.

Denial of:
The Before and The Dismal After of Bu$h Corp.
That Bu$h is the train wreak, and your America also suffers his carnage.

Btw...I don't view it as a Libby vs Pubby thang at all.
Bu$h is simply Bad News for all, the fact that he just happens to be a P_Ugh is circumstantial.

Those who can drop their partisan panties long enough to have a clear looksee, must agree that Pre Bu$h America was far better off then what is rapidly unfolding about 'em.

Hey, if his divine calling is to bring America to her knees, then by God, your Bu$h is doing a mighty fine job of it.
Otherwise, we all would be better off he just stayed on his ranch and played with his oil wells or whatever that pig did before he hoodwinked your nation.


The earth shakes beneath our feet, good God grant us a reprieve.

[Tom In VA]

The dismal after is post 9-11 and doesn't have as much to do with Bush as it does the generations of U.S. meddling in the affairs England used to meddle in. I.E. The Middle East.

It's been escalating for a long time.


But I assure you, he got the ball on Fourth and Ten, and we really had no choice but to go for it. If we lose, it's a team loss.

So what's your limit ?

[tough love]

Tom Wrote:
So what's your limit ?

It has been surpassed.


What sickens me about your Mr. Bu$H:

He either choose Iraq to satisfy the general public's lust for vengence, or to quench his own poli_thirst, or both?
As was predicted; it has proven itself out be a very bad idea.

[Variable]

He's Canadian, Tom. He could have K-K and Al-Quaida could get him to fold before the flop with a baby raise. :D

Those who can drop their partisan panties long enough to have a clear looksee, must agree that Pre Bu$h America was far better off then what is rapidly unfolding about 'em.

Let's look at this in a vacuum for a moment. We'll take out 9/11, the cost of the Iraq war, natural disasters in the past 5 years, etc and leave us with just the economy, with none of the extenuating circumstances of the past half decade. Now, are you really, seriously, honestly, coming in here with a statement that the five years following the economical windfall of the late 1990's, which was far greater than any other comparable period in our nation's or any other nation's history, is not as peachy as that windfall period? Well, gee, thanks for that!<--- Insert world's biggest fucking rolleyes here

Whether a drooling down's syndrome kid loved Bush or hated his fucking guts, even he'd know that whether there was a democrat or a republican in the white house, when your economy reaches its top, the only way to go is down. See, they're opposites, up and down. Maybe you can stay after school and the drooling tard can help you out with that one.

There's plenty of perfectly good reasons to hate Bush or any other prez. Please stop embarassing yourself by blaming him for bad weather, salmonella, forest fires and Michael Jackson diddling little latino boys.

[Tom In VA]

Tom Wrote:
So what's your limit ?

It has been surpassed.


What sickens me about your Mr. Bu$H:

He either choose Iraq to satisfy the general public's lust for vengence, or to quench his own poli_thirst, or both?
As was predicted; it has proven itself out be a very bad idea.

No, no, no, that's not why he went into Iraq.

But I meant, what's YOUR personal limit. In essence, you don't like Bu$H, and his money. So I'm assuming your maximum limit is at least as much money as he has. But what's your minimum ?

I mean, if I were to ask you to write a book on how evil Bush is and pony up $100,000,000.00 for commissioning you, would you turn it down because it's too much money ?

[Mikey]

The only thing that might have worked is a system like the Dutch built after they got flooded out back in the 50s.

I was talking about the system the Dutch built, you fucking moron.

You're talking about that kid who keeps going out to stick his finger in the dyke, right?

[tough love]

Tom Wrote:
No, no, no, that's not why he went into Iraq.

But I meant, what's YOUR personal limit. In essence, you don't like Bu$H, and his money. So I'm assuming your maximum limit is at least as much money as he has. But what's your minimum ?

Actually Tom, he (Bu$h) did not GO into Iraq.
The way I view it is he sacraficed your countries prime obedient dutifully complying to successfully (for him) do his wrongful poli-campaigning there; which by me is what makes him the de$pot.

Here is another way to look at it.
Say you hired a private company to put a stop to what was disrupting your global interests, and they proved to be so incompetent as to make matters even worse for you; would you continue to retain their services?


$ LIMIT :?
Not everything is about money Tom, or at least should not be; yet after seeing your countries disaster plan for those Southern Poor Folk who were left for days without food nor water in convention centres and stadiums, perhaps for ya'All's it does all have to do with who is smart enough, or crooked enough, or blessed via birth enough to hold the most wealth.

For sure; such a horrid display, nor lack of humanity in planning would ever occur in my lesser Canada.

Many of you wanted them shot for stealing food, for God's sake.
Even that po$er christian prez of yours was publicly spouting off some crap about zero tolerance on ALL looters, INCLUDING those who were just seeking food and water.

Just freakin shameful, and not a good time for you to be bringing up dollar limits either, Tom.

All of America needs to reflect long and hard on what just happened there.

As for that Bu$h Corp Escalated Iraqi Cluster_Muck of Biblical Proportion; our freedom affords us all choice, so I choose to continue to sort though the variable like bull_crap and give credence to what mine own eyes tell me, and I suggest to you that for those who would do the same, they could not but realize that America was far better off before it allowed itself to be led astray by poli-self-serving misfit$.

GO>>>UNITED NATION FOR ALL

Save your toothless UN crap, kids, it's only as weak as it is becuz that is exactly the way your greedy admin want's it to be.

[Tom In VA]

Personally I didn't suggest shooting anyone, much less those foraging for food and survival gear.

You danced around the question though. You seem to know who deserves what financially, and how resources should be disbursed to people, in general.

I'd love to hear your take on when America was far better off.

[tough love]

Tom Wrote:
Personally I didn't suggest shooting anyone, much less those foraging for food and survival gear.

My bad.
I didn't mean to suggest YOU did, and I most certainly do not think of you as the sort who ever would suggest such a horrible thing be done to another human being who is just trying to get by.


You danced around the question though. You seem to know who deserves what financially, and how resources should be disbursed to people, in general.

Not knowing what brung you to think that but if you must know; I do believe that it is okay if some folks end up with more than they need, as long as they horde in on what's left over after everyone else have gotten enough of what they need.
You may call me a dreamer.


I'd love to hear your take on when America was far better off.

Not sure how many times I have to post it but here goes again.
America was better off before Bu$h Corp wrongfully ventured into Iraq.
Just so you know...I don't just think that, it is also clear for all to see that billion$ have been wasted and many many lives lost while all that has been accomplished is to turn the original Iraqi selective terror of Saddams Regime into something far far more wide spread.

Hope that was of some help.

[Tom In VA]

tough love,

Well, I've always maintained, we'd know if it was the right move long after it was made. Fair enough, better off before Iraq. I can't seem to quantify that with the exception of we wouldn't have sent 1800 soldiers to their graves and maimed multiples of that.

I do believe, he believed he was doing the right thing for All Americans.

As for your "baseline" notion on pay. Meaning we all get X, for sure, and if you can get X+, then go ahead.

We have that, a minimum wage. From a human perspective I don't know why they can't or won't raise it to a livable one. I say that from a human perspective. I do not know what economic impact it would have, cost of goods, etc.. etc... I'd have to read more why it's not considered.

[bradhusker]

hey tough love? have you been stupid your whole life?
you just said that people were left without food and water for days?
and, you said this because you really want to blame this on the bush administration, HOWEVER, if you had half a brain, you would realize that the mayor of new orleans had at his disposal, hundreds of city busses, and 3 entire days before the storm hit, the mayor, who is IN CHARGE of the city, could have chose to send the busses and evacuate the poorest of the poor, the mayor could have easily transported thousands of the poorest folks in his city, and gotten them out of harms way, BUT HE FAILED, he is a DISGRACE, he is not a leader, YET, he was elected by the very same poor folks he let die, THEN, after his gross mis-handling of his city, he has the nerve to shout with indignation at our commander in chief?
FUCK YOU!!

again, 3 entire days before the storm hit, the mayor who is in total charge of his city, could have utilized his massive transportaion system, getting the extreme poor evacuated, INSTEAD, he failed as a leader, people who are so poor, they had no means to evacuate, BUT, the mayor could have easily moved them out with his command of the city bus system,
BUT, he left them there to die, and the board fool known as "tough love", blames george, the board retard, "tough love" blames the president,
tough love, everyone is laughing at you, do yourself a favor, get a gun, and blow your brains out, ive seen fecal matter with more knowledge than you, you are a total waste of life,

[tough love]

bradhusker wrote:
hey tough love? have you been stupid your whole life?

Yes,

you just said that people were left without food and water for days?

Yes, yes they were.

and, you said this because you really want to blame this on the bush administration.

No Brad, you said that.

I do recall saying that America was better off before Bu$h became Prez.

And you are correct about how the Orleans 'In Case Of Disaster Plan' pretty much wrote the poor off leaving them to fend for themselves after dumping 'em all together.

The big question being asked of your Bu$h Corp now is, 'Where the fuc were they?
From what i'm getting so far, as per usual, they answer with lies.

It only takes a half a brain to know this, Brad ->Once a liar, always a liar.

[mothster]

The only thing that might have worked is a system like the Dutch built after they got flooded out back in the 50s.

I was talking about the system the Dutch built, you fucking moron.

You're talking about that kid who keeps going out to stick his finger in the dyke, right?

yes------

tammy bruce

[Tom In VA]

From what i'm getting so far, as per usual, they answer with lies.

Link ? and a Link to the truth please.


Thanks.

[tough love]

Tom Wrote:
Link ? and a Link to the truth please.

Thanks.

Link to lie: http://mediamatters.org/items/200509030001

Link to Truth?
Nice try, Grasshopper.
That we must link up for ourselves, but here is a little something you may enjoy between epiphanies. :wink:

http://www.optruth.org/

[Tom In VA]

Doesn't look good on the surface. But I'm not sure what the technical difference between "breach" and "overflow" is.

The Corps of Engineers dude spoke about the "overflow".

As for the lack of resources, that's the major area for which Bush should be held accountable.

Withholding money from that project was not a good idea.

We will see.

I see some potential dereliction, but no clear cut attempt to mislead.

[tough love]

America, the powder keg.

Good thing there were also black faces behind the gross irresponsibility, otherwise the national fallout would be a whole lot worse.

Did you catch that uplifting make shift parade that some effected hopeful souls put on yesterday?
Good on them.


What now?
For sure everywhere across your country, the authorities responcible for disaster planning better make sure they got everyone covered to the best of their abilities, and then publicly reassure their charges on said matter.

Mistakes happen, learning from them is what's important, Right?

God Bless America

[Tom In VA]

America, the powder keg.

Good thing there were also black faces behind the gross irresponsibility, otherwise the national fallout would be a whole lot worse.

Did you catch that uplifting make shift parade that some effected hopeful souls put on yesterday?
Good on them.


What now?
For sure everywhere across your country, the authorities responcible for disaster planning better make sure they got everyone covered to the best of their abilities, and then publicly reassure their charges on said matter.

Mistakes happen, learning from them is what's important, Right?

God Bless America

Yeah it was the "Celebration of Decadence" or some such parade.

I think we will change, for the better. Personally, on a human level, Government cannot care for people the way individual people can care for people.

Government can and should, facilitate and not get in the way of people who have a vocation to do these things.

But I am very shocked at the willingness to let such a vital city slide on the cheap. New Orleans, as a functioning port city, is vital to the entire country. The decision to let it slide and scrape by with less, concerns me.

[bradhusker]

ok, lets keep it simple,
the irony is very thick here, new orleans is about 70% african american, THUS, they elected an african american mayor, who in turn, left his poorest of the poor to fend for themselves, being that he is in charge of that city, he could have easily utilized the massive amounts of busses and transported his poorest of the poor out of harms way,
BECAUSE, if the mayor FAILS to do this, he is in essence, signing their death warrants, AND he surely must have known that a cat. 5 killer storm, coming at a city 12 feet below sea level, would surely leave 10,000 dead?
again, 3 days BEFORE, had he safely transported the poorest folks who voted him into office, he would have saved their very lives,
this is a fact, learn it, love it,

[tough love]

And your point is?

Surely not that we should, 'love it?

Here's you chance to evolve, Brad.
Don't blow it. :wink:

[bradhusker]

tough love, I dont want people to love the fact that they died, I want people to "love" pure common sense, common sense is dead and buried nowadays,
wanna know what passes for common sense nowadays?
instead of safely transporting your extreme poor out of the way of a cat 5 killer storm, you leave them there in a 12 ft below sea level coffin, THEN, you scream and curse at the president of the united states afterward, this is Ray NAGIN's version of common sense,
amazing, HUH?

[tough love]

Few would disagree with you on that, Brad.
If Mayor Ray had any class at all, he would just off himself.

I knew if anyone could get me to chuckle about that god awful, it would be Conan OBrien.
Last nite he had a take on Celine Dion crapping on about how Bu$h failed the poor Oleans folk.
Conan cracked something about how they should of gotten her to evacuate the city cuz it would of only taken two of her songs to drive everybody out.


Don't let it bring you down - it's only castles burning,

[Mister Bushice]

tough love, I dont want people to love the fact that they died, I want people to "love" pure common sense, common sense is dead and buried nowadays,
wanna know what passes for common sense nowadays?
instead of safely transporting your extreme poor out of the way of a cat 5 killer storm, you leave them there in a 12 ft below sea level coffin, THEN, you scream and curse at the president of the united states afterward, this is Ray NAGIN's version of common sense,
amazing, HUH?

Actually the storm damage was not as horrible as it soon became AFTER the Levees broke. Had that not happened, we wouldn't be talking deaths by the thousands. It was at this point that the government failed by delaying sending help for 2-3 days after the levees broke.

Check out the slide show. After the storm, most of the streets were clear, and much of the damage was to trees.

[Tom In VA]

Interesting read in light of the current events.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/05/29/Hurri ... crit.shtml

Ex-FEMA director criticizes reorganization
James Lee Witt says putting the agency under Homeland Security will slow its response and funding after hurricanes.
By Associated Press
Published May 29, 2005

NEW ORLEANS - Putting the Federal Emergency Management Agency under the Department of Homeland Security has hampered its ability to deal with hurricanes and other disasters, former FEMA Director James Lee Witt claims.

Emergency managers and other state and local officials attending March's National Hurricane Conference applauded Witt when he urged that FEMA again be made a separate agency, saying it still could focus on all hazards, whether terrorist attacks, earthquakes, floods or killer storms.

"The emphasis is not there like it used to be," Witt said. "Putting FEMA under the Department of Homeland Security has minimized their effectiveness in responding, in planning and training, the national hurricane program, everything."

Witt also urged more spending on the hurricane program, which is facing potential cuts, and said the agency has been too slow in passing on federal emergency funding to where it is needed.

"Put the money down to the state and local government," he said. "Let them do their job. They know what to do."

Local officials in Florida also have complained about delays in getting reimbursement for millions of dollars spent for debris removal and other cleanup costs.

The agency, meanwhile, has come under fire for distributing $30-million in assistance to about 13,000 residents of Miami-Dade County although not hit by hurricane force winds.

In Washington, FEMA spokeswoman Natalie Rule said there are no plans to remove the agency from Homeland Security's structure. Rather, she said, being included in the sprawling department has let FEMA respond more quickly to disasters by using Homeland Security resources like ships, planes and helicopters.

The hurricane conference's chairman, John Wilson, public safety director for Lee County, said he thought the commitment of people within the agency is more important than how it is structured.

"If that can be done with Homeland Security, good. If it can't, then maybe there's an argument to make it different," Wilson said. "If you're in an organization where your focus and your mission is blurred, then James Lee Witt has a point."

Wilson, however, said FEMA has not seemed to lack public exposure since becoming part of Homeland Security.

Rule said that in 2002, the year before FEMA merged with 21 other agencies to create the Homeland Security Department, FEMA responded to 49 major disaster declarations and provided assistance to three declared emergencies. By comparison, FEMA responded to 68 major disasters and seven emergencies in 2004 - the most in any single year in nearly a decade, Rule said.

Witt served as FEMA director under President Bill Clinton from 1993 through 2001. He now is CEO of the International Code Council in Falls Church, Va., and told the conference Florida's hurricanes last year proved that tougher building codes can reduce storm damage.

[bradhusker]

again, Mr. Bushice, you FAIL to understand, COMMON SENSE,
when you have a cat. 5 killer storm coming straight to an area that lies 12 ft below sea level, ANY mayor with leadership and balls and common sense, would have used his massive transportation, 3 days prior, and got his poorest of the poor, safely out of harms way,
PERIOD, end of story,

the mere fact that I need to spell this out for you, speaks volumes about your intellect, or complete lack thereof,

so far, you give bullshit excuse after bullshit excuse, and every time, you sound dumber than the time before,

I'm gonna say this just one more time, MAYOR RAY NAGIN is ultimately responsible for the deaths of nearly 5-10,000 poor folks,
he alone, could have easily transported them out of harms way,
HE DID NOT, and they were left to die,

tomorrow, african american groups are gonna be protesting at the white house, claiming that the president is responsible for the deaths from this massive storm,
since the FACTS show, that their african american mayor, whom they elected into office, to run their city, FAILED to act, their protest is a complete LIE and a JOKE,
again, mayor RAY NAGIN had within his power, to safely transport some 10-15000 of his most extreme poor, and save their lives,
HE ALONE could have saved the lives of his own people, and the bitter irony here is this, his own people are too fuckin stupid to realize these truths, instead, they choose to lash out at the president, because in my estimation, these folks have the mental capacity of a 3 yr old child with shitty diapers,

NEVER in my life, have I seen stupidity on such a mass scale, stay tuned.........

[tough love]

Brad, I don't think Mr. B disagrees that Mayor Ray did a piss poor job.
I reacon that you and many others would rather keep it real simple, fry one guy, repair the damage done and just let the waters of this mess river again from the national mind set, but that just won't be happening this time around.
It's far more complicated then that.

Brad Wrote:
again, Mr. Bushice, you FAIL to understand, COMMON SENSE,
when you have a cat. 5 killer storm coming straight to an area that lies 12 ft below sea level.

Where was the COMMON SENSE of allowing a city built 12 ft under sea level to be left without adequate storm protection?
For years experts have warned that just such an event could occur under Katrina like conditions, committees were struck, recommendation made, moneys reserved then diverted into other area's, including that retarded wasteful endeavor in Iraq.

Sorry Brad, but this thang is not going to go away anytime to soon.
It's going to take near 80 days to drain the city of muck, and prolly near 8 years before the muck of whose dicks are left stuck in the dike of responsibility gets sorted out.
That would leave a whole lot of time for other catastrophic events to occur. God help those effected if they are also surrounded by self_serving poli- incompetence.