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DrDetroit wrote: • Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.

BSmack wrote:

DrDetroit wrote: • Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.

Not being very supportive of the troops eh?

DrDetroit wrote:

BSmack wrote:

DrDetroit wrote: • Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.

Not being very supportive of the troops eh?

how pathetic is this ^^^ ?

:roll:

go ahead and exploit the very troops you do not support.

DrDetroit wrote:Variable, please delete B's posts, he's attempting to hijack the thread. That, or simply move his posts to a new thread.

You know, rules and all.

DrDetroit wrote:...no one can find anything to cut in the budget my ass...

• The federal government cannot account for $24.5 billion spent in 2003.
• A White House review of just a sample of the federal budget identified $90 billion spent on programs deemed that were either ineffective, marginally adequate, or operating under a flawed purpose or design.
• The Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” book identifying $140 billion in potential spending cuts.
• The federal government spends $23 billion annually on special interest pork projects such as grants to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, or funds to combat teenage “goth” culture in Blue Springs, Missouri.
• Washington spends tens of billions of dollars on failed and outdated programs such as the Rural Utilities Service, U.S. Geological Survey and Economic Development Association.
• The federal government made $20 billion in overpayments in 2001.
• The Department of Housing and Urban Development’s $3.3 billion in overpayments in 2001 accounted for over 10 percent of the department’s total budget.
• Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.
• Examples of wasteful duplication include: 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 federal programs dedicated to assuring safe water.
• The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses, and 40% of this goes to Fortune 500 companies.
• The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets, and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were reimbursable.
• The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually to not farm their land.
• Washington spends $60 billion annually on corporate welfare, versus $43 billion on homeland security.

BSmack wrote:
And now, to keep this shizzit back on topic, let us all take a second and get a good laugh at Tom Delay FINALY having to deal with the reality of governance.

BSmack wrote:

DrDetroit wrote:Variable, please delete B's posts, he's attempting to hijack the thread. That, or simply move his posts to a new thread.

You know, rules and all.

I'm hijacking the thread by quoting YOUR post and responding to it?

Get fucked.

And now, to keep this shizzit back on topic, let us all take a second and get a good laugh at Tom Delay FINALY having to deal with the reality of governance.

Mikey wrote:

DrDetroit wrote:...no one can find anything to cut in the budget my ass...

• The federal government cannot account for $24.5 billion spent in 2003.
• A White House review of just a sample of the federal budget identified $90 billion spent on programs deemed that were either ineffective, marginally adequate, or operating under a flawed purpose or design.
• The Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” book identifying $140 billion in potential spending cuts.
• The federal government spends $23 billion annually on special interest pork projects such as grants to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, or funds to combat teenage “goth” culture in Blue Springs, Missouri.
• Washington spends tens of billions of dollars on failed and outdated programs such as the Rural Utilities Service, U.S. Geological Survey and Economic Development Association.
• The federal government made $20 billion in overpayments in 2001.
• The Department of Housing and Urban Development’s $3.3 billion in overpayments in 2001 accounted for over 10 percent of the department’s total budget.
• Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 for admission to entertainment events, $48,250 for gambling, $69,300 for cruises, and $73,950 for exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.
• Examples of wasteful duplication include: 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 federal programs dedicated to assuring safe water.
• The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses, and 40% of this goes to Fortune 500 companies.
• The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets, and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were reimbursable.
• The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually to not farm their land.
• Washington spends $60 billion annually on corporate welfare, versus $43 billion on homeland security.

Is this official data, or are you just making it up?
Is it coming from an unattributed source?

If you want to have any credibility you need to cite the original official source and provide a link Otherwise we all know that you're, as usual, talking out your ass.

DrDetroit wrote:BTW - it was provided by Heritage to a writer at NRO.

Much of the information has been presented by me before from Citizen's Against Government Waste.

(Washington, D.C.) - Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) today released Prime Cuts 2005, which catalogues 600 recommendations throughout the government that if enacted could save taxpayers $232 billion in fiscal year 2006 and $2 trillion over the next five years. As reported in the Washington Times, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) yesterday asked for budget cuts to offset the cost of Hurricane Katrina relief, which has so far added $62.5 billion to the deficit.

“Rep. DeLay has challenged fiscal conservatives to come up with offsets. Prime Cuts is the answer to his challenge,” CAGW President Tom Schatz said. “The federal government is fraught with wasteful, ineffective, and duplicative programs that can be trimmed or eliminated altogether.”

Prime Cuts includes examples of agencies, programs, and policies that are plagued by fraud or negligence, serve political or parochial interests rather than the general good, do not demonstrate results, duplicate efforts in the private sector, circumvent procedural checks for transparency and accountability, or wildly exceed their original mandate.

Prime Cuts features some long-standing proposals to terminate specific programs, such as Community Development Block Grants (saving $24.7 billion over five years), the White House’s National Youth Anti-drug Media Campaign (saving $1 billion over five years), and the Advanced Technology Program (saving $750 million over five years). New recommendations include eliminating two narcissistic education scholarship programs that would save $205 million over five years: the B.J. Stupak Olympic Scholarship Program and the Robert C. Byrd Honors Scholarship Program.

“Tradeoffs must be made in a time of budget deficit and national disaster. Prime Cuts arms citizens, legislators, and the media with specific, rational, and achievable options for rightsizing government. Our nation has seen the wrath of natural disaster, and we must avoid fiscal disaster by offsetting the cost of hurricane relief. These projects and programs are wasteful in normal circumstances, but they are even less essential in these extraordinary times,” Schatz concluded.

Citizens Against Government Waste is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to eliminating waste, fraud, abuse, and mismanagement in government.

DrDetroit wrote:You know, Mvscal, I wasn't going going to be so quick with that point, but it appears you're right.

Both B and Mikey seems to agree with DeLay.

We could simply start with the recently passed highway bills. They are billions in that legislation alone that could be classified as wasteful, at worst, or at best, political pork.

Shit, one MT city has already indicated it would send back $$ from the feds for an expanded parking garage to help pay for katrina relief.

DrDetroit wrote:
Both B and Mikey seems to agree with DeLay.

DrDetroit wrote:I still do not see you disputing any of the data that has been provided. Like I said, you are serial offender of attacking sources rather than the argument.

Heritage and CAGW identified over 6,000 projects in the transportation bill alone that it classified as pork and recommended rescinding. For example, this bill included funding for flowers along the Ronald reagan freeway in California.

Bean counting? Excuse me, but why should residents from NY, MI, UT pay for flowers along the RR freeway in California? Well?

I can only conclude that you do not believe that there is federal spending that could be cut as identified above by Heritage and CAGW.

Mikey wrote:

DrDetroit wrote:
Both B and Mikey seems to agree with DeLay.

Liar.

Why do you insist on always mischaracterizing my posts?

I never said that I agreed with Delay on anything.
I was only calling out Deliar for posting unattributed and unofficial data without even a link.

I want to see official charts and tables from Departments of Labor, Commerce, Education and HHS, at least, or your post will have no relevance.

Mister Bushice wrote:If this data is so real why isn't this being brought up in congress as an issue? This is blatant mismanagement of funds.

Mikey wrote:

DrDetroit wrote:
Both B and Mikey seems to agree with DeLay.

Liar.

Why do you insist on always mischaracterizing my posts?

I never said that I agreed with Delay on anything.
I was only calling out Deliar for posting unattributed and unofficial data without even a link.

I want to see official charts and tables from Departments of Labor, Commerce, Education and HHS, at least, or your post will have no relevance.

Is it not an interstate? Do the states not subject themselves to federal authority in return for the blessings of the Interstate Highway System?

And I can only conclude that you are a simplistic twat who is unable to understand the difference between abuse of budgeted funds and Delay's assertion that the government has been cut to the point where it is politicaly impossible to cut any more.

DrDetroit wrote:

Mister Bushice wrote:If this data is so real why isn't this being brought up in congress as an issue? This is blatant mismanagement of funds.

Is so real? WTF is that? Wouldn't it make more sense to say, "If these projects are that unreasonable...?" English, motherfucker...

To answer your question...you mean you expect Congress to scrutinize its spending?

And I agree, this is blatant mismanagement of federal funds. But that's even obvious to the members of Congress.

DrDetroit wrote:Do you think that Congress is capable of providing oversight of its own behavior and actions?

BSmack wrote:

DrDetroit wrote:Do you think that Congress is capable of providing oversight of its own behavior and actions?

So what you're saying is that the GOP majority is incapable of managing it's responsibilities.

Let's hope the voters remember that next November.

Mister Bushice wrote:I don't think that soldiers using government money for prostitutes meets the intended definition of "pork spending"

I may be wrong, but some how I think that Congress should be stepping in to investigate misuse of funds, which has nothing to do with cutting spending.

DrDetroit wrote:Why is it that you and Mikey are always compelled to inaccurately misstate my posts?

DrDetroit wrote:

Mister Bushice wrote:I don't think that soldiers using government money for prostitutes meets the intended definition of "pork spending"

I didn't say it did. I merely posted it as a response to DeLay saying that there was nothing left to cut. The feds could easily eliminate handing out federal credit cards to employees and save tons of cash.

I may be wrong, but some how I think that Congress should be stepping in to investigate misuse of funds, which has nothing to do with cutting spending.

Dumbass, what do you think the Governmental Accounting Office does? Or the individual Department Inspector General's?

Don't act as though Congress hasn't stepped in to investigate fraud and misuse. Are you this naive?

BSmack wrote:

DrDetroit wrote:Why is it that you and Mikey are always compelled to inaccurately misstate my posts?

You know, two negatives make a positive. Therefore if I am "inaccurately misstate" your posts, I am in fact accurately stating them.

And the ball sails right over his head into centerfield.

Apparently, from this list, not anywhere near enough.

140 billion dollars of wasted money? They obviously have hidden agendas if they're willing to let that slide on by.

DrDetroit wrote:Dude, entire departments cannot account for billions of dollars appropriated to them by Congress. And this has been happening since...well...

The Department of Education still cannot properly audit their records from five years ago and cannot account for several billion on their own.

BSmack wrote:The question is wether or not there are specific functions of government that CAN be cut.

And when we say CAN be cut, we mean to ask the following.

Does the political will exist within the body politic to make further cuts?

Delay is saying that said will does not exist.

DrDetroit wrote:

Mikey wrote:

DrDetroit wrote:
Both B and Mikey seems to agree with DeLay.

Liar.

Why do you insist on always mischaracterizing my posts?

I never said that I agreed with Delay on anything.
I was only calling out Deliar for posting unattributed and unofficial data without even a link.

I want to see official charts and tables from Departments of Labor, Commerce, Education and HHS, at least, or your post will have no relevance.

Uh, no. But you can attempt to mock me all you want. The flailing has been noted. And your silence on this substantive issue at hand can only suggest that you agree with DeLay.

I can't possibly mischaracterize your position here because you haven't provided one in the first place, dumbshit.

DrDeliar wrote:Washington spends tens of billions of dollars on failed and outdated programs such as the Rural Utilities Service, U.S. Geological Survey and Economic Development Association.

DrDetroit wrote:Yes, the will does exist, however, members are fearful of being tarred as mean-spirited and threatening the rights of women, minorities, children, etc.

Why should I respond seriously to a post that's irrelevant in the first place?

I've been claiming for several years that the self-glossed "party of fiscal responsibility" is even more profligate than the "tax and spend liberals".

Let's just call them the "borrow and spend so-called conservatives". What a fucking joke. Since they've been in power they've run up the biggest deficits in history, and your normal comeback is "well the Democrats would be even worse". OK let's see some statistics. Prove it, big guy.

So you're saying that the Rural Utilities Service, the USGS and the (sic) Economic Development Association are all "failed and outdated"? Do you have any data or anything else to back up that claim? How many tens of billions? Do you even know if there actually is an "Economic Development Association" in the federal government?

DrDetroit wrote: Wrong. Federal spending has slowed (when you take out expenditures for Afghanistan and Iraq. ) down since Bush took office in 01.

Mister Bushice wrote:

DrDetroit wrote: Wrong. Federal spending has slowed (when you take out expenditures for Afghanistan and Iraq. ) down since Bush took office in 01.

I just love this kind of justification. "except for all the murders, the crime rate is lower"

What a joke. Why do you think there's lesss spending elsewhere?