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Borders
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:31 pm
by Sudden Sam
Always fascinating how states’ and countries’ borders are determined. Here’s some interesting stuff on Africa.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/2 ... so-strange
Egypt or Sudan – why does no one want Bir Tawil?
Starting in northeastern Africa is a 2,000sq-km (795sq-mile) uninhabited, arid piece of land that neither Egypt nor Sudan wants to claim as their own.
Re: Borders
Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:53 pm
by HighPlainsGrifter
That is interesting. According to stuff I've studied, global conquerors avoided ruling all of Africa because the climate and terrain are not conducive to a single ruler. It took a consortium of European countries carving the continent into small, manageable pieces to conquer it and objectively, that still failed.
What a fascinating history. If I descended from slaves I would be honored to have come from such an incredible place. It's a tragedy to see the continent in such turmoil. ADOS really should put their energy into resettling the homeland rather than breaking into the Nike outlet on Floydsgiving. Imagine how much good they could do in the Congo. They could take the domestication techniques they've learned here and teach it to people who've been at war since I was a child. Is there a Give-Send-Go for expats to Africa? I'll donate. Let's fix this thing. Together.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:34 am
by Ken
Sudden Sam wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:31 pm
Always fascinating how states’ and countries’ borders are determined. Here’s some interesting stuff on Africa.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/2 ... so-strange
Egypt or Sudan – why does no one want Bir Tawil?
Starting in northeastern Africa is a 2,000sq-km (795sq-mile) uninhabited, arid piece of land that neither Egypt nor Sudan wants to claim as their own.
Love me some geography nuances. There are so many that people aren't aware of. For instance...
-a part of Florida and Oregon are only one time zone apart.
-There is a small piece of Delaware that is across the Delaware Bay and attached to NJ.
-Angle Inlet, a part of Minnesota, is only accessible by boat from the US w/out going through Canadian customs. Otherwise, one would have to drive through customs.
-Same with Point Roberts, WA. Only accessible by boat from the US w/out driving through customs.
-The highest point in the contiguous US is Mt. Whitney. The lowest point is Death Valley. They are only 85 miles apart.
-Arkansas borders 6 states. You can drive south from Arkansas reach each of those 6 states.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:51 am
by FiatLux
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:34 am
-The highest point in the contiguous US is Mt. Whitney. The lowest point is Death Valley. They are only 85 miles apart.
And you can visually see both from Telescope Peak.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:02 am
by HighPlainsGrifter
FiatLux wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:51 am
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:34 am
-The highest point in the contiguous US is Mt. Whitney. The lowest point is Death Valley. They are only 85 miles apart.
And you can visually see both from Telescope Peak.
Sheeit. I can see Minnesota from the water tower. Suck on that, bitches.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:05 am
by Dr_Phibes
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:34 am
-Angle Inlet, a part of Minnesota, is only accessible by boat from the US w/out going through Canadian customs. Otherwise, one would have to drive through customs.
When the treaty was negotiated, their maps were incomplete. Angle Inlet was supposed to be the point where the Mississippi River crossed into Canada. Problem is.. it didn't.
- in 1816, Fort Montgomery was constructed by the Madison administration on Lake Champlain, but on the wrong side of the border. When this was discovered, everyone fooked off sharpish. A renegotiated treaty saw the land in American hands twenty years later and construction resumed. When the crews returned, the entire fort had been dismantled and looted by the locals for the stone to build their houses. (toured the site, dead cool!

)
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:14 am
by Roux
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:34 am
-a part of Florida and Oregon are only one time zone apart
Wait. No way. Here, I'll show you.
Damn. Ok, you're right, I'm wrong.

Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:43 am
by Ken
HighPlainsGrifter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:02 am
Sheeit. I can see Minnesota from the water tower. Suck on that, bitches.
:poptart entered the chat:
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:53 am
by Ken
Dr_Phibes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:05 am
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:34 am
-Angle Inlet, a part of Minnesota, is only accessible by boat from the US w/out going through Canadian customs. Otherwise, one would have to drive through customs.
When the treaty was negotiated, their maps were incomplete. Angle Inlet was supposed to be the point where the Mississippi River crossed into Canada. Problem is.. it didn't.
- in 1816, Fort Montgomery was constructed by the Madison administration on Lake Champlain, but on the wrong side of the border. When this was discovered, everyone fooked off sharpish. A renegotiated treaty saw the land in American hands twenty years later and construction resumed. When the crews returned, the entire fort had been dismantled and looted by the locals for the stone to build their houses. (toured the site, dead cool!

)
LOL... bode Canada on that one. With that said, thanks for the intel. I have subsequently sent an email to Trump and multiple cabinet members. This should be rectified shortly.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:00 am
by Mikey
It’s kind of strange that the southernmost point in California is quite a bit north of the northernmost point in Florida.
And maybe Louisiana as well?
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:09 am
by FiatLux
Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:00 am
It’s kind of strange that the southernmost point in California is quite a bit north of the northernmost point in Florida.
And maybe Louisiana as well?
As well as Reno Nevada being farther west than LA and San Diego.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:17 am
by Mikey
Vegas is almost due north from here. Actually not quite. More like NNE
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:17 am
by smackaholic
Rather boring little state I live in. Only geographical thing we have that could be unique is the highest point in the state is not at the top of a mountain.
Bear Mt is the highest peak. The highest point is on the slope of Mt Frissell which has its peak in Mass.
Another thing that kinda sucks is that if you want to leave New England, you have to drive through that shithole to the west, NY. Or, I guess you could go up and around through Upper Mexico.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:17 am
by Ken
Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:00 am
It’s kind of strange that the southernmost point in California is quite a bit north of the northernmost point in Florida.
And maybe Louisiana as well?
Yep. San Diego's latitude is on par w/Charleston's (or maybe Savannah's?, can't remember)
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:19 am
by smackaholic
Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:17 am
Vegas is almost due north from here. Actually not quite.
Interesting. It might even be a tad west, but probably not. I am sure Reno is to your west.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:21 am
by Ken
smackaholic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:19 am
Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:17 am
Vegas is almost due north from here. Actually not quite.
Interesting. It might even be a tad west, but probably not. I am sure Reno is to your west.
It absolutely is. Reno is even further west than Los Angeles.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:21 am
by Mikey
smackaholic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:19 am
Mikey wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:17 am
Vegas is almost due north from here. Actually not quite.
Interesting. It might even be a tad west, but probably not. I am sure Reno is to your west.
I got a little bit over my skis there. It more like NNE. But Reno, yeah.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:23 am
by Mikey
And the coastline “north” of Santa Monica (Malibu) runs almost east to west.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:28 am
by Mikey
Madrid (that’s in Spain) has almost the same latitude as New York City.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:30 am
by Ken
smackaholic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:17 am
Rather boring little state I live in. Only geographical thing we have that could be unique is the highest point in the state is not at the top of a mountain.
Well, here's one for ya about CT... If you travel North, South, East, or west from Stamford (whether by boat, plane, car, etc) you will cross into NY.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:45 am
by Rootbeer
I'm digging Fireside Chat With Ken. This could be a regular feature.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:58 am
by bungle clone
Borders in White Flint was a great bookstore back in the day imo
got this book there, among others:

Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:12 am
by Innocent Bystander
Roux wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 1:14 am
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:34 am
-a part of Florida and Oregon are only one time zone apart
Wait. No way. Here, I'll show you.
Damn. Ok, you're right, I'm wrong.
I'm from the timeline where only Indiana, Arizona and Alaska had fucked up daylight savings time zone shenanigans. This map is a revelation.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:13 am
by Innocent Bystander
Sudden Sam wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:31 pm
Always fascinating how states’ and countries’ borders are determined. Here’s some interesting stuff on Africa.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/2 ... so-strange
Egypt or Sudan – why does no one want Bir Tawil?
Starting in northeastern Africa is a 2,000sq-km (795sq-mile) uninhabited, arid piece of land that neither Egypt nor Sudan wants to claim as their own.
Africa is a clusterfuck because Europe made it a clusterfuck.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:31 am
by Mikey
Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:13 am
Sudden Sam wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:31 pm
Always fascinating how states’ and countries’ borders are determined. Here’s some interesting stuff on Africa.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/2 ... so-strange
Egypt or Sudan – why does no one want Bir Tawil?
Starting in northeastern Africa is a 2,000sq-km (795sq-mile) uninhabited, arid piece of land that neither Egypt nor Sudan wants to claim as their own.
Africa is a clusterfuck because Europe made it a clusterfuck.
Same thing in the Middle East and Southern Asia. The Brits carved that up for their convenience with no regard for centuries of tribal or societal tradition.
Re: Borders
Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2025 9:54 pm
by StrawMan
bungle clone wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 2:58 am
Borders in White Flint was a great bookstore back in the day imo

Raquet. Just down from the
Peaches record store, iirc.
Re: Borders
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:20 am
by mvscal
FiatLux wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:51 am
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:34 am
-The highest point in the contiguous US is Mt. Whitney. The lowest point is Death Valley. They are only 85 miles apart.
And you can visually see both from Telescope Peak.
But you haven't. I'm sure you can post stock photos of other people who have, though.
Re: Borders
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:24 am
by mvscal
Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:13 am
Sudden Sam wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:31 pm
Always fascinating how states’ and countries’ borders are determined. Here’s some interesting stuff on Africa.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/2 ... so-strange
Egypt or Sudan – why does no one want Bir Tawil?
Starting in northeastern Africa is a 2,000sq-km (795sq-mile) uninhabited, arid piece of land that neither Egypt nor Sudan wants to claim as their own.
Africa is a clusterfuck because Europe made it a clusterfuck.
Um, no. Africa was always a tribal clusterfuck. The brief period of European colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to Africa.
Re: Borders
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:10 am
by Wolfman
When I was on Army active duty in 1960 we had orders to "saddle up" and go to the Congo to protect American interests there. The CIA assasinated the leader of the uprising and we were ordered to stand down. Tat's the way things were done then I guess.
The Cuban missle crisis had everyone ready to go. The Russians backed down from our naval embargo. Thanks.
Re: Borders
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:14 am
by FiatLux
mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:20 am
FiatLux wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:51 am
Ken wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 12:34 am
-The highest point in the contiguous US is Mt. Whitney. The lowest point is Death Valley. They are only 85 miles apart.
And you can visually see both from Telescope Peak.
But you haven't. I'm sure you can post stock photos of other people who have, though.
Glad I could educate you on telescope peak. Without me, you won't even know it existed.
Successful educated people can afford to live in California and travel.
Those that are failures in life move to Nebraska.
Which one are you?
There is only one correct answer. Take your time.
Re: Borders
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 3:01 am
by mvscal
FiatLux wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:14 am
Glad I could educate you on telescope peak.
Nobody cares
Re: Borders
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 3:04 am
by FiatLux
mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 3:01 am
FiatLux wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:14 am
Glad I could educate you on telescope peak.
Nobody cares
You're welcome.
Re: Borders
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 4:14 am
by Python
Wolfman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:10 amI was on Army active duty in 1960
1960? Gotdamn.
Re: Borders
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 4:51 am
by Innocent Bystander
FiatLux wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 2:14 am
Successful educated people can afford to live in California and travel.
Is that why you're in Jew York instead?
Re: Borders
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2025 10:03 pm
by bungle clone
IB,
there is no group more pro-you than the Jews. It isn't a matter of interpretation of history it is plain fact.
Don't forget the Yids who got themselves slaughtered for those such as yer self.
as well as NAACP founders
Heschel was all up in that Selma group

Re: Borders
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 1:16 am
by 88BuckeyeGrad
Someone got bris juice on Telescope Peak. Just sayin.
Re: Borders
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 3:36 am
by The Seer
mvscal wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:24 am
Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:13 am
Sudden Sam wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:31 pm
Always fascinating how states’ and countries’ borders are determined. Here’s some interesting stuff on Africa.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/2 ... so-strange
Egypt or Sudan – why does no one want Bir Tawil?
Starting in northeastern Africa is a 2,000sq-km (795sq-mile) uninhabited, arid piece of land that neither Egypt nor Sudan wants to claim as their own.
Africa is a clusterfuck because Europe made it a clusterfuck.
Um, no. Africa was always a tribal clusterfuck. The brief period of European colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to Africa.
Mystery illness in Congo kills more than 50 people, including children who ate a bat
An unknown illness has killed over 50 people in the northwest of the Democratic Republic of Congo, according to doctors in the central African nation and the World Health Organization.
According to the WHO's Africa office, the first outbreak in the town of Boloko began after three children ate a bat and died within 48 hours following hemorrhagic fever symptoms.
There have long been concerns about diseases jumping from animals to humans in places where wild animals are popularly eaten. The number of such outbreaks in Africa has surged by more than 60% in the last decade, the WHO said in 2022.
Did they run out of PB&J sandwiches?
Re: Borders
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 3:46 am
by HighPlainsGrifter
Are they eating these wild animals raw?
Re: Borders
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:46 am
by Innocent Bystander
bungle clone wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 10:03 pm
IB,
there is no group more pro-you than the Jews. It isn't a matter of interpretation of history it is plain fact.
Fuck you and your entire bloodline.
Patton was right.
https://x.com/pardonmewithp/status/1894829497536385327

Re: Borders
Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 2:28 pm
by Meat Head
HighPlainsGrifter wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2025 3:46 am
Are they eating these wild animals raw?
Just the internal organs.