How's Winter?

[Mikey]

I hear that most of you fuckers are freezing your asses off. Except maybe 88 and Wolfman, that is. And Smackie.

We had a crisp high of 65 deg today, dipping way down to 48 overnight. Brrrrrrr.......

California is so fucked up, with the commie progressives running things and really high taxes, not to mention having to wear long pants at night. Well OK my property taxes are pretty low. I just wish I could live somewhere else. :cry:

[Innocent Bystander]

Pretty mild. It's cold, but it's not dig a tunnel between houses cold.
People are still freezing to death, but it's not like you won't find their bodies until summer, knock on wood.

That FedEx accident in Texas was a tragedy. Why was it sliding so fast?

[Diego in Seattle]

Is plowing streets socialism?

Has Governor Greg Abbott of Texas turned down the disaster funds Biden has made available to Texans (as well as OK) since that would be socialism? Abbott has also called for all Texans to stay home. LS, are you going to let your governor take away your freedom like that? This storm is just a hoax. Sure, there's a lot of accidents, but that's because they're counting a lot more accidents right now.

[Mikey]

Really no worse than any other winter storm.
Not enough to give up your constitutional right to be a dumbass.

[Kierland]

80 and humid with occasional pouring rain here in central Florida.
Was on I10 in TX on 1-1-21 and it was a shit show. Foot of snow and the road was closed so 3 hrs sitting on the fwy. Everyone out of their cars. One dude was even bbqing in the slow lane.
Not a very well run State.

[Wolfman]

Blue sky-- 82ºF right now--good day for mid-February.

[smackaholic]

SWFLA was chilly over night when I got there almost 2 weeks ago, but warmed quickly.

TX and the southwest are currently having freakish cold.

Below freezing in Galveston is pretty odd. Southern NM also very cold.

The U&R winter started off pretty mild but January and early February have been cold as fukk.

But at least I don’t have to worry about the guy up the hill’s house running over my house during a heavy rain.


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[Kierland]

SWFLA was chilly over night when I got there almost 2 weeks ago, but warmed quickly.

TX and the southwest are currently having freakish cold.

Below freezing in Galveston is pretty odd. Southern NM also very cold.

The U&R winter started off pretty mild but January and early February have been cold as fukk.

But at least I don’t have to worry about the guy up the hill’s house running over my house during a heavy rain.


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Fuck off traitor.

[Bill in Houston]

Freezing rain. BELOW ZERO windchill!

Nasty as hell.

[Mikey]

1.8 million customers without power. Just from a little cold weather?

And you guys thought the grid in CA was fooked up.

[smackaholic]

Freezing rain. BELOW ZERO windchill!

Nasty as hell.

Have you ever seen it this cold in Houston? This has to be close to record cold.


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[smackaholic]

SWFLA was chilly over night when I got there almost 2 weeks ago, but warmed quickly.

TX and the southwest are currently having freakish cold.

Below freezing in Galveston is pretty odd. Southern NM also very cold.

The U&R winter started off pretty mild but January and early February have been cold as fukk.

But at least I don’t have to worry about the guy up the hill’s house running over my house during a heavy rain.


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Fuck off traitor.

Go away, you tedious runt.


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[Kierland]

You keep being a traitor, I’ll keep bringing it up.
Fuck off traitor. And use runt again because THAT isn’t tedious after two decades.

[Softball Bat]

It snowed twice during the 10 years I lived in Houston.
Never in Galveston.


2021 snow in Galveston...











I still hear your sea waves crashing...

[Innocent Bystander]

That's very pretty. Snow on green leaves is always magical.

[smackaholic]

That's very pretty. Snow on green leaves is always magical.

No, snow on green leaves is teh suck. It is not supposed to be. It typically comes along with some misery.

About 10 years ago we had a freak snow storm in late october. About a foot of very heavy snow on oak trees that still had pretty much all their leaves.

It was an oak tree mass-a-cree!!!!

Power was out for nearly a week. I have never seen that many power lines down and I have been through a few pertty good ice storms and hurricanes.

[smackaholic]

1 degree in Dallas this morning.

I'll bet the local plumbers are happy. They'll have frozen pipe work for weeks. Houses there are just not designed for that shit.

[Left Seater]

Record cold with ice before the snow leads to plenty of issues. Transmission lines are down in a number of places then add in the green energy issues and it is making for a sad situation for many. Approx 25% of the Texas generation comes from wind power. That is all well and good except when the weather turns icy. The turbines apparently can't handle ice or snow. More than 60% of the wind power is down and will remain down for days.

Then add on top of that the additional cold across the country and natural gas prices are going crazy.

Further many of the water systems have had issues keeping their pumps from freezing.

Take your shots now if you must, I am sure some will return the volley in the next wildfire or earthquake. It just shows those folks true colors.

[Kierland]

Your colors are orange, yellow and traitor.

[Diego in Seattle]

Record cold with ice before the snow leads to plenty of issues. Transmission lines are down in a number of places then add in the green energy issues and it is making for a sad situation for many. Approx 25% of the Texas generation comes from wind power. That is all well and good except when the weather turns icy. The turbines apparently can't handle ice or snow. More than 60% of the wind power is down and will remain down for days.

Then add on top of that the additional cold across the country and natural gas prices are going crazy.

Further many of the water systems have had issues keeping their pumps from freezing.

Take your shots now if you must, I am sure some will return the volley in the next wildfire or earthquake. It just shows those folks true colors.

And I have as much sympathy for you Texas asswipes as you had for Californians dealing with wildfires in '18....

[Innocent Bystander]

Your colors are orange, yellow and traitor.

Yet Pickle is banned?

[Mikey]

Record cold with ice before the snow leads to plenty of issues. Transmission lines are down in a number of places then add in the green energy issues and it is making for a sad situation for many. Approx 25% of the Texas generation comes from wind power. That is all well and good except when the weather turns icy. The turbines apparently can't handle ice or snow. More than 60% of the wind power is down and will remain down for days.

Then add on top of that the additional cold across the country and natural gas prices are going crazy.

Further many of the water systems have had issues keeping their pumps from freezing.

Take your shots now if you must, I am sure some will return the volley in the next wildfire or earthquake. It just shows those folks true colors.

You fail to mention that there were a lot more failures in fossil fuel generating capacity than in wind. I guess you're only listening to Tucker. Try actually reading up on your own situation sometime. You might benefit from it.

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/are-fro ... r-outages/

You say that approximately 25% of Texas generation comes from wind power. Yet wind turbines account for only 13% of the capacity that was lost. The majority came from coal and gas. Do the math...if you can.

[Kierland]

Your colors are orange, yellow and traitor.

Yet Pickle is banned?

Yes, yes it is.

[smackaholic]

Record cold with ice before the snow leads to plenty of issues. Transmission lines are down in a number of places then add in the green energy issues and it is making for a sad situation for many. Approx 25% of the Texas generation comes from wind power. That is all well and good except when the weather turns icy. The turbines apparently can't handle ice or snow. More than 60% of the wind power is down and will remain down for days.

Then add on top of that the additional cold across the country and natural gas prices are going crazy.

Further many of the water systems have had issues keeping their pumps from freezing.

Take your shots now if you must, I am sure some will return the volley in the next wildfire or earthquake. It just shows those folks true colors.

You fail to mention that there were a lot more failures in fossil fuel generating capacity than in wind. I guess you're only listening to Tucker. Try actually reading up on your own situation sometime. You might benefit from it.

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/are-fro ... r-outages/

You say that approximately 25% of Texas generation comes from wind power. Yet wind turbines account for only 13% of the capacity that was lost. The majority came from coal and gas. Do the math...if you can.

That was a shit article. It says there were many other problems outside of renewable and it vaguely mentions gas supplies, but it doesn't get any more specific. I assume the large majority of other issues were where they always are during fukked up weather, distribution. I doubt it was a gas turbine that didn't like the cold. Gas turbines love the cold. They work great at 40k feet.

What we do know is that there was better than 50% failure of windmills due to icing. Those blades are hollow and I believe are made of aluminum.

Shouldn't be too difficult to figure out how to keep them ice free.

Maybe pump hot air through them? De-icing systems?

There are plenty of these things in areas where shit weather is the norm. What do they do?

I suspect it the end the sensible thing to do is simply wait for warmer weather. West Texas likely doesn't get enough of this shit weather to make any other solution economically viable. But, we are talking "green power" here, so economic viability isn't exactly at the top of the heap of concerns.

Actually, the sensible thing is likely to develop 4th gen nuke, which is by far, the safest way we've ever made power. And continue to search for the holy grail of green power, fusion.

[Softball Bat]

Threatening our lives with comments and messages is a horrible thing to have to wonder about. I won’t share any of those messages from those names as I feel they know who they are and hope after they see this they will retract the hateful things they have said!

- Tim Boyd

[Left Seater]

Sure there are lots of issues with this storm. Record low temps that are not just daily records but all time records are hard to forecast. Then add ice on top of that and transmission lines come down along with blown transformers. Then add in wrong assumptions by the non-profit grid operator and it is totally crappy for millions of people.

And besides the power there are also water issues. The water distribution systems are not designed for prolonged temps below 20 degrees much less below zero. Lots of people therefore are without water as well. All in all it sucks for many, especially the poors and olds.

And I saw the same number that Mikey linked to. Green energy is responsible for about 13-15% of the lost power generation. This "green" energy was supposed to be something that was immune from generation issues. Few supply issues (the wind blows a lot in these areas), no issues with price fluctuations on the supply side, etc. It has been billed as more reliable than fossil fuels just set it and forget it (HT: Ron Popeil).

Here is the bottom line though. Taking Mikey's number of 13% generation lost to wind, vs the total number of customers on the grid:

26,250,000 x 13% = 3,412,500 customers

That is 1.3 million more than customers without power.


But hey, take all your shots, we will survive and be stronger. Hopefully though this prevents many of those West Coast weather pussies from moving here and trying to fuck things up.

[Mikey]

Here is the bottom line though. Taking Mikey's number of 13% generation lost to wind, vs the total number of customers on the grid:

26,250,000 x 13% = 3,412,500 customers

That is 1.3 million more than customers without power.

WTF are you trying to show here?

Do the same exercise for the rest of the generation capacity -

26,250,000 x 87% = 22,837,500 customers

That is 20 million more than customers without power. So what?
Please explain yourself.

[Left Seater]

If we hadn't lost the wind generation that we were sold on being the "gold standard" of generation, no one would be out of power.

(Of course those that are without power due to transmission lines and blown transformers would still be out of power.)


Yes, fossil fuel generation is off line as well. But wind was sold as functioning in these times where fossil fuel plants couldn't. Further, Texas has closed a good amount of fossil fuel power generation based in the increased wind and solar installations.

Since 2008, most retirements in Texas were generators that used natural gas steam and petroleum technologies. During that period, a total of 35% of Texas natural gas-fired steam turbine capacity and 66% of petroleum capacity retired. Coal retirements totaling 532 megawatts (MW) accounted for 2% of total installed coal capacity in Texas. However, Texas is expected to have 5,583 MW of coal retirements in 2018, based on planned retirement dates reported to EIA.

Reality is showing us that wind and solar aren't any more reliable than fossil fuels.

[Mikey]

That was a shit article. It says there were many other problems outside of renewable and it vaguely mentions gas supplies, but it doesn't get any more specific. I assume the large majority of other issues were where they always are during fukked up weather, distribution. I doubt it was a gas turbine that didn't like the cold. Gas turbines love the cold. They work great at 40k feet.

What we do know is that there was better than 50% failure of windmills due to icing. Those blades are hollow and I believe are made of aluminum.

Shouldn't be too difficult to figure out how to keep them ice free.

Maybe pump hot air through them? De-icing systems?

There are plenty of these things in areas where shit weather is the norm. What do they do?

I suspect it the end the sensible thing to do is simply wait for warmer weather. West Texas likely doesn't get enough of this shit weather to make any other solution economically viable. But, we are talking "green power" here, so economic viability isn't exactly at the top of the heap of concerns.

Actually, the sensible thing is likely to develop 4th gen nuke, which is by far, the safest way we've ever made power. And continue to search for the holy grail of green power, fusion.

So much wrong with this, it's hard to figure out where to start.

OK it was a shit article. There's plenty of other information out there backing up exactly what I said, if you have any internet skillz at all and assuming you're ready to grow up and stop buying the fantasy world being sold to you by Tucker Carlson, just because it's what you want to hear. PM me if you need some help using Google. Maybe we can set up a Zoom meeting.

Texas lost about 50% of its non-renewable generation during the storm. This is mainly due to natural gas supply but also because of frozen instruments at coal and nuke plants. What difference does it make if the shutdown is due to icing of the turbines or a shortage of natural gas. From what I understand, gas turbines can't run without gas.

One last question - can you show me a gas turbine operating at 40,000 feet?
I didn't think so.


https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16 ... wer-storm/

“Texas is a gas state,” said Michael Webber, an energy resources professor at the University of Texas at Austin. While he said all of Texas’ energy sources share blame for the power crisis — at least one nuclear power plant has partially shut down, most notably — the natural gas industry is producing significantly less power than normal.

“Gas is failing in the most spectacular fashion right now,” Webber said.

More than half of ERCOT’s winter generating capacity, largely powered by natural gas, was offline due to the storm, an estimated 45 gigawatts, according to Dan Woodfin, a senior director at ERCOT.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... link%C2%A0

Frozen Wind Farms are Just a Small Piece of Texas's Power Woes

- Natural gas, coal and nuclear played bigger role in blackouts
- Blaming reduced wind output ‘is really a red herring’

Don’t point too many fingers at Texas wind turbines, because they’re not the main reason broad swaths of the state have been plunged into darkness.

While ice has forced some turbines to shut down just as a brutal cold wave drives record electricity demand, that’s been the least significant factor in the blackouts, according to Dan Woodfin, a senior director for the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which operates the state’s power grid.

The main factors: Frozen instruments at natural gas, coal and even nuclear facilities, as well as limited supplies of natural gas, he said. “Natural gas pressure” in particular is one reason power is coming back slower than expected Tuesday, added Woodfin.

“We’ve had some issues with pretty much every kind of generating capacity in the course of this multi-day event,” he said.

The blackouts, which have spread from Texas across the Great Plains, have reignited the debate about the reliability of intermittent wind and solar power as the U.S. seeks to accelerate the shift to carbon-free renewable energy. Rolling outages in California last summer were blamed in part on the retirement of gas plants as the state pursued an aggressive clean-energy agenda.

Wind shutdowns accounted for 3.6 to 4.5 gigawatts -- or less than 13% -- of the 30 to 35 gigawatts of total outages, according to Woodfin. That’s in part because wind only comprises 25% of the state’s energy mix this time of year.

While wind can sometimes produce as much as 60% of total electricity in Texas, the resource tends to ebb in the winter, so the grid operator typically assumes that the turbines will generate only about 19% to 43% of their maximum output.

Even so, wind generation has actually exceeded the grid operator’s daily forecast through the weekend. Solar power has been slightly below forecast Monday.

“The performance of wind and solar is way down the list among the smaller factors in the disaster that we’re facing,” Daniel Cohan, associate professor of environmental engineering at Rice University, said in an interview. Blaming renewables for the blackouts “is really a red herring.”

That doesn’t mean that frozen turbines are playing no role in the energy crisis, which the grid operator has highlighted. Cody Moore, head of gas and power trading at Mercuria Energy America, noted that wind generation this week is down markedly this week from last week, possibly indicating that turbines are automatically shutting down due to ice.

“We are seeing wind generation down 60% week-over-week,” said Matt Hoza, manager of energy analysis at BTU Analytics. But wind and solar that are operating “are in a very advantageous position” as power prices have topped $1,000 a megawatt-hour.

The situation raises questions about the grid’s preparedness. “Grid demand is so much higher than we’ve really built the system for in the wintertime,” said Joshua Rhodes, a research associate at the University of Texas at Austin.

— With assistance by Mark Chediak

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[Mikey]

If we hadn't lost the wind generation that we were sold on being the "gold standard" of generation, no one would be out of power.

This is complete and utter bullshit and not supported by any of the facts. I thought you were smarter than this.

Reality is showing us that wind and solar aren't any more reliable than fossil fuels.

Nice job of goal post moving.

But wind was sold as functioning in these times where fossil fuel plants couldn't.

It was? Link please.

[Left Seater]

Are you claiming that you liberals aren't telling us we need to move towards wind and solar? Hell look no further than your own backyard.

Let's pretend for a minute that you liberals got your way and we all have moved towards green energy. Where would anyone be when wind and solar are 50% or more of our power generation? Where we would be is having even more people in the cold. AOC is claiming that with the Green New Deal, Texas wouldn't be facing the power issues it is today. Never mind the Green New Deal calls for 100% power generation to be clean by 2030. So if solar and wind can't function today, what will be different when 100% of our power generation is wind and solar?

A large power plant can shut down abruptly at any time, forcing operators to keep large quantities of fast-acting, expensive reserves ready 24/7. Wind changes tend to be gradual and predictable, making them far less costly to accommodate using less expensive, slower-acting reserves. When wind turbines are spread over large areas, their output becomes far more constant and even easier to accommodate. Additionally, modern wind plants can provide the same grid reliability services as conventional power plants, in many cases better than conventional plants, by using their sophisticated controls and power electronics.

This was part of a mailer our power provider CPS sent out a few years ago. It is directly from the cleanpower.org site.


But answer this question Mikey or any of you liberals, how do we move to all "green" energy if green energy can't produce power in hurricanes, or severe weather or icing/snow conditions?

President Executive Order wants 100% clean energy by 2035, AOC and her group want it by 2030, so this isn't some theoretical question or discussion.

[Mikey]

Are you claiming that you liberals aren't telling us we need to move towards wind and solar? Hell look no further than your own backyard.

I see you refuse to address anything I pointed out in my previous post. Typical of you to move the goalpost or change the subject completely when you're called on your bullshit.

Like I said in an earlier thread, trying to discuss anything with you is a complete waste of time.

[smackaholic]

That was a shit article. It says there were many other problems outside of renewable and it vaguely mentions gas supplies, but it doesn't get any more specific. I assume the large majority of other issues were where they always are during fukked up weather, distribution. I doubt it was a gas turbine that didn't like the cold. Gas turbines love the cold. They work great at 40k feet.

What we do know is that there was better than 50% failure of windmills due to icing. Those blades are hollow and I believe are made of aluminum.

Shouldn't be too difficult to figure out how to keep them ice free.

Maybe pump hot air through them? De-icing systems?

There are plenty of these things in areas where shit weather is the norm. What do they do?

I suspect it the end the sensible thing to do is simply wait for warmer weather. West Texas likely doesn't get enough of this shit weather to make any other solution economically viable. But, we are talking "green power" here, so economic viability isn't exactly at the top of the heap of concerns.

Actually, the sensible thing is likely to develop 4th gen nuke, which is by far, the safest way we've ever made power. And continue to search for the holy grail of green power, fusion.

So much wrong with this, it's hard to figure out where to start.

OK it was a shit article. There's plenty of other information out there backing up exactly what I said, if you have any internet skillz at all and assuming you're ready to grow up and stop buying the fantasy world being sold to you by Tucker Carlson, just because it's what you want to hear. PM me if you need some help using Google. Maybe we can set up a Zoom meeting.

Texas lost about 50% of its non-renewable generation during the storm. This is mainly due to natural gas supply but also because of frozen instruments at coal and nuke plants. What difference does it make if the shutdown is due to icing of the turbines or a shortage of natural gas. From what I understand, gas turbines can't run without gas.

One last question - can you show me a gas turbine operating at 40,000 feet?
I didn't think so.


https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16 ... wer-storm/

“Texas is a gas state,” said Michael Webber, an energy resources professor at the University of Texas at Austin. While he said all of Texas’ energy sources share blame for the power crisis — at least one nuclear power plant has partially shut down, most notably — the natural gas industry is producing significantly less power than normal.

“Gas is failing in the most spectacular fashion right now,” Webber said.

More than half of ERCOT’s winter generating capacity, largely powered by natural gas, was offline due to the storm, an estimated 45 gigawatts, according to Dan Woodfin, a senior director at ERCOT.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... link%C2%A0

Frozen Wind Farms are Just a Small Piece of Texas's Power Woes

- Natural gas, coal and nuclear played bigger role in blackouts
- Blaming reduced wind output ‘is really a red herring’

Don’t point too many fingers at Texas wind turbines, because they’re not the main reason broad swaths of the state have been plunged into darkness.

While ice has forced some turbines to shut down just as a brutal cold wave drives record electricity demand, that’s been the least significant factor in the blackouts, according to Dan Woodfin, a senior director for the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which operates the state’s power grid.

The main factors: Frozen instruments at natural gas, coal and even nuclear facilities, as well as limited supplies of natural gas, he said. “Natural gas pressure” in particular is one reason power is coming back slower than expected Tuesday, added Woodfin.

“We’ve had some issues with pretty much every kind of generating capacity in the course of this multi-day event,” he said.

The blackouts, which have spread from Texas across the Great Plains, have reignited the debate about the reliability of intermittent wind and solar power as the U.S. seeks to accelerate the shift to carbon-free renewable energy. Rolling outages in California last summer were blamed in part on the retirement of gas plants as the state pursued an aggressive clean-energy agenda.

Wind shutdowns accounted for 3.6 to 4.5 gigawatts -- or less than 13% -- of the 30 to 35 gigawatts of total outages, according to Woodfin. That’s in part because wind only comprises 25% of the state’s energy mix this time of year.

While wind can sometimes produce as much as 60% of total electricity in Texas, the resource tends to ebb in the winter, so the grid operator typically assumes that the turbines will generate only about 19% to 43% of their maximum output.

Even so, wind generation has actually exceeded the grid operator’s daily forecast through the weekend. Solar power has been slightly below forecast Monday.

“The performance of wind and solar is way down the list among the smaller factors in the disaster that we’re facing,” Daniel Cohan, associate professor of environmental engineering at Rice University, said in an interview. Blaming renewables for the blackouts “is really a red herring.”

That doesn’t mean that frozen turbines are playing no role in the energy crisis, which the grid operator has highlighted. Cody Moore, head of gas and power trading at Mercuria Energy America, noted that wind generation this week is down markedly this week from last week, possibly indicating that turbines are automatically shutting down due to ice.

“We are seeing wind generation down 60% week-over-week,” said Matt Hoza, manager of energy analysis at BTU Analytics. But wind and solar that are operating “are in a very advantageous position” as power prices have topped $1,000 a megawatt-hour.

The situation raises questions about the grid’s preparedness. “Grid demand is so much higher than we’ve really built the system for in the wintertime,” said Joshua Rhodes, a research associate at the University of Texas at Austin.

— With assistance by Mark Chediak

(Adds Ercot comments in second through sixth paragraphs.)

I think the dude driving said we were at 38k ft, but I think they work at 40k too. I should have snapped a pic.

Did a nice job of getting me to a place where the weather didn’t suck, in about 2.5 hrs.

And while a commercial jet engine doesn’t run on LNG or LP, it does work the exact same way. If either had the same energy density as JP5 or whatever it is they use these days, I’m sure those planes would have that type.


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[Left Seater]

That you can't understand written words or want to play dumb isn't my fault. Your points were addressed. I guess they needed to be spelled out completely for short bus riders, eh?

If we hadn't lost the wind generation that we were sold on being the "gold standard" of generation, no one would be out of power.

This is complete and utter bullshit and not supported by any of the facts. I thought you were smarter than this.

Facts are if the wind power hadn't gone off line we wouldn't have the rolling blackouts. Period. Full Stop. (Again, this wouldn't solve the transmission lines that are down or the transformers that have blown.)

Reality is showing us that wind and solar aren't any more reliable than fossil fuels.

Nice job of goal post moving.

Hardly. I pointed out that Texas has closed a good number of gas, petroleum, and coal plants recently. Those have and continue to be replaced by wind and solar. I pointed out that the new generation wasn't any more reliable than what was taken off line.

But wind was sold as functioning in these times where fossil fuel plants couldn't.

It was? Link please.

See again AOC's tweet claiming that the failures in Texas are literally the result of not pursing the Green New Deal.

[Kierland]

Here is the bottom line though. Taking Mikey's number of 13% generation lost to wind, vs the total number of customers on the grid:

26,250,000 x 13% = 3,412,500 customers

That is 1.3 million more than customers without power.

WTF are you trying to show here?

Do the same exercise for the rest of the generation capacity -

26,250,000 x 87% = 22,837,500 customers

That is 20 million more than customers without power. So what?
Please explain yourself.

He is fat and stupid. He thinks 1% of power goes directly to 1% of the customers.
He is a Nazi and a traitor and it shows in his thinking skills.

[Mikey]

That you can't understand written words or want to play dumb isn't my fault. Your points were addressed. I guess they needed to be spelled out completely for short bus riders, eh?

If we hadn't lost the wind generation that we were sold on being the "gold standard" of generation, no one would be out of power.

This is complete and utter bullshit and not supported by any of the facts. I thought you were smarter than this.

Facts are if the wind power hadn't gone off line we wouldn't have the rolling blackouts. Period. Full Stop. (Again, this wouldn't solve the transmission lines that are down or the transformers that have blown.)

Again, complete and utter bullshit.

You lost at least twice as much fossil generation capacity as you did wind power. But it's the wind turbine outages that caused the blackouts? Ponderous.

God and GOD you are even more stupid than I thought. Period. Full stop. On top of this, the rest of your drivel isn't even worth reading.

[Left Seater]

You lost at least twice as much fossil generation capacity as you did wind power. But it's the wind turbine outages that caused the blackouts? Ponderous.

What can’t you understand? Had we not lost any fossil fuel generation we also wouldn’t have blackouts.

But no one is saying we should move to 100% fossil fuel generation. Your side wants 100% wind and solar in less than a decade, but you dodge any and all questions on implementing this. Just like you do on most things that your heroes vomit out daily.

[Mikey]

You lost at least twice as much fossil generation capacity as you did wind power. But it's the wind turbine outages that caused the blackouts? Ponderous.

What can’t you understand? Had we not lost any fossil fuel generation we also wouldn’t have blackouts.

But no one is saying we should move to 100% fossil fuel generation. Your side wants 100% wind and solar in less than a decade, but you dodge any and all questions on implementing this. Just like you do on most things that your heroes vomit out daily.

My side? You don't know what side I'm on. I've never argued for 100% wind and solar in less than a decade. Probably unrealistic but you need to set ambitious goals to accomplish anything. AOC doesn't speak for me. The Green New Deal isn't a formal proposal to be implemented all at once, as "your side" would like everybody to believe, but a menu of measures that can be taken one at a time in a common sense effort to stem climate change, which "your side" doesn't even acknowledge, as well as the increasing damage we are doing through other effects of belching out tons of carbon and other pollutants.

[Left Seater]

Yes your side. You slurp and regurgitate damn near everything the liberal Dems throw up.

And yes the green new deal is multiple things and pieces that don’t have to be passed at once. However the call for 100% green energy was given a date of 2030 for implementation. No date was included for income for those unwilling to work.

Good to see you backpedaling from the liberal Democrats or your side. It is never too late to turn away from them.

[Mikey]

Yes your side. You slurp and regurgitate damn near everything the liberal Dems throw up.

And yes the green new deal is multiple things and pieces that don’t have to be passed at once. However the call for 100% green energy was given a date of 2030 for implementation. No date was included for income for those unwilling to work.

Good to see you backpedaling from the liberal Democrats or your side. It is never too late to turn away from them.

2030 was given by whom?

The California mandate is, I believe, 60% by 2030 and 100% by 2045. We are right now at 34% and a lot better reliability than Texas apparently. So really where the fuck are you coming from with this?

https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/renewables/

I could make all those same claims, just as legitimately, about your positions and attitudes so...there you go.