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Damn San Francisco Bay Area liberals walking the walk again, instead of talking the talk.





Tesla has used its solar panels and batteries to restore reliable electricity at San Juan's Hospital del Niño (Children's Hospital), in what company founder Elon Musk calls "the first of many solar+battery Tesla projects going live in Puerto Rico."

The project came about after Puerto Rico was hit by two devastating and powerful hurricanes in September, and Musk reached out about Tesla helping.

Musk's company announced its success in getting the hospital's power working again less than three weeks after Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rossello tweeted on Oct. 6, "Great initial conversation with @elonmusk tonight. Teams are now talking; exploring opportunities."

Tesla's image of the project's solar array, in a parking lot next to the hospital, has been liked more than 84,000 times since it was posted to Instagram Tuesday.

Earlier this month, Musk tweeted that some of his company's work is being rerouted so it could "increase battery production for Puerto Rico & other affected areas."

The hospital's new system allows it to generate all the energy it needs, according to El Nuevo Dia. The facility has 35 permanent residents with chronic conditions; it also offers services to some 3,000 young patients, the newspaper says. As for who is paying for the power system, the head of the hospital tells Nuevo Dia that for now, it's a donation — and that after the energy crisis is over, a deal could make it permanent.

Both Rossello and the tech company tweeted about the project this week, with Tesla saying in a post, "Grateful to support the recovery of Puerto Rico with @ricardorossello" — and Rossello stating, "A major contribution of @Tesla to the Hospital del Niño."

The news of restoring permanent power at the hospital comes as millions of people in Puerto Rico continue to rely on generators for electricity. As of Wednesday morning, the Electric Power Authority reported that its power service was at 25 percent.

The task of rebuilding Puerto Rico's power grid is expected to take months and to cost as much as $5 billion.

Last week, the territory's electric and power authority signed a $300 million contract with Whitefish, a small and relatively young Montana company, to restore the power grid. The deal has sparked scrutiny and skepticism, as NPR's Laurel Wamsley and Nicky Ouellet of Montana Public Radio reported.

Tesla isn't the only tech company trying to help Puerto Rico; Google's parent company, Alphabet, has deployed balloons from its Project Loon to the territory, to help parts of the island reconnect after much of its phone system went down. The portable network can help phone users with both messaging and some web browsing.

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FiatLux wrote:...In Puerto Rico


Damn San Francisco Bay Area liberals walking the walk again, instead of talking the talk.





Tesla has used its solar panels and batteries to restore reliable electricity at San Juan's Hospital del Niño (Children's Hospital), in what company founder Elon Musk calls "the first of many solar+battery Tesla projects going live in Puerto Rico."

The project came about after Puerto Rico was hit by two devastating and powerful hurricanes in September, and Musk reached out about Tesla helping.

Musk's company announced its success in getting the hospital's power working again less than three weeks after Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rossello tweeted on Oct. 6, "Great initial conversation with @elonmusk tonight. Teams are now talking; exploring opportunities."

Tesla's image of the project's solar array, in a parking lot next to the hospital, has been liked more than 84,000 times since it was posted to Instagram Tuesday.

Earlier this month, Musk tweeted that some of his company's work is being rerouted so it could "increase battery production for Puerto Rico & other affected areas."

The hospital's new system allows it to generate all the energy it needs, according to El Nuevo Dia. The facility has 35 permanent residents with chronic conditions; it also offers services to some 3,000 young patients, the newspaper says. As for who is paying for the power system, the head of the hospital tells Nuevo Dia that for now, it's a donation — and that after the energy crisis is over, a deal could make it permanent.

Both Rossello and the tech company tweeted about the project this week, with Tesla saying in a post, "Grateful to support the recovery of Puerto Rico with @ricardorossello" — and Rossello stating, "A major contribution of @Tesla to the Hospital del Niño."

The news of restoring permanent power at the hospital comes as millions of people in Puerto Rico continue to rely on generators for electricity. As of Wednesday morning, the Electric Power Authority reported that its power service was at 25 percent.

The task of rebuilding Puerto Rico's power grid is expected to take months and to cost as much as $5 billion.

Last week, the territory's electric and power authority signed a $300 million contract with Whitefish, a small and relatively young Montana company, to restore the power grid. The deal has sparked scrutiny and skepticism, as NPR's Laurel Wamsley and Nicky Ouellet of Montana Public Radio reported.

Tesla isn't the only tech company trying to help Puerto Rico; Google's parent company, Alphabet, has deployed balloons from its Project Loon to the territory, to help parts of the island reconnect after much of its phone system went down. The portable network can help phone users with both messaging and some web browsing.

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Wonder what the price tag was on that. I suspect you could have brought in 5 times as much diesel generator capacity and enough diesel to run them for 6 months.


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When most news seems to focus on negatives, this is a nice change of pace.

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smackaholic wrote: I suspect you could have brought in 5 times as much diesel generator capacity and enough diesel to run them for 6 months.

I suspect you have no idea wtf you're talking about, as per usualm.

smackaholic wrote:
Wonder what the price tag was on that. I suspect you could have brought in 5 times as much diesel generator capacity and enough diesel to run them for 6 months.

What kind of diesel generator could power the entire hospital for months on end? And who is paying for all that diesel.

FiatLux wrote:

smackaholic wrote:
Wonder what the price tag was on that. I suspect you could have brought in 5 times as much diesel generator capacity and enough diesel to run them for 6 months.

What kind of diesel generator could power the entire hospital for months on end? And who is paying for all that diesel.

How is the diesel getting there? It's an island, in the ocean you know?

How did the solar panels get there? Come on Bri. I bet the diesel generators work better at night or on cloudy days.

BSmack wrote:

FiatLux wrote:

smackaholic wrote:
Wonder what the price tag was on that. I suspect you could have brought in 5 times as much diesel generator capacity and enough diesel to run them for 6 months.

What kind of diesel generator could power the entire hospital for months on end? And who is paying for all that diesel.

How is the diesel getting there? It's an island, in the ocean you know?

A really big ocean.

Wolfman wrote:How did the solar panels get there? Come on Bri. I bet the diesel generators work better at night or on cloudy days.

You might consider reading the article. It mentions something called batteries.
They come from this place called Gigafactory.

How many acres of solar panel will it take to run that hospital?

I think Li Ion batteries are a great thing....... for mobile devices. They are a horrible idea for stationary power storage. They don't make economic sense....well, when you're spending your own money, anyway.

In the first world, hospitals and other places have backup power systems. They are called generators. Big diesel ones. Can sit unused for extended periods and fire to life instantly. They don't need 10 acres of space either. I suspect that this fancy ass solar array will be vandalized/stolen before long because, well, because it's fukking PR.

This is nothing more than a PR stunt. You fake greenies, of course, will eat it up.

Mikey wrote:

smackaholic wrote: I suspect you could have brought in 5 times as much diesel generator capacity and enough diesel to run them for 6 months.

I suspect you have no idea wtf you're talking about, as per usualm.

All right then, smart ass. This stuff is right up your alley. How about some real numbers?

What did it cost?

How much power does it make?

35 beds ain't much of a hospital. I would bet that a 20 kwatt trailer mounted generator or two would do the trick. Easy to set up. Very low maintenance. And it doesn't need 10 acres to set up. A single trailer truck of diesel would keep it running for weeks, maybe more.

Wolfman wrote:How did the solar panels get there? Come on Bri. I bet the diesel generators work better at night or on cloudy days.

The system comes with battery storage. When the Puerto Rican grid is up and running they can return power back to the grid once the batteries are at capacity. One shipment of solar gear is better than depending on a lifetime of petrol shipments.

smackaholic wrote:

Mikey wrote:

smackaholic wrote: I suspect you could have brought in 5 times as much diesel generator capacity and enough diesel to run them for 6 months.

I suspect you have no idea wtf you're talking about, as per usualm.

All right then, smart ass. This stuff is right up your alley. How about some real numbers?

What did it cost?

How much power does it make?

35 beds ain't much of a hospital. I would bet that a 20 kwatt trailer mounted generator or two would do the trick. Easy to set up. Very low maintenance. And it doesn't need 10 acres to set up. A single trailer truck of diesel would keep it running for weeks, maybe more.

You’re the one running around saying it doesn’t make sense. And yet there it is. So let’s see what you’ve got. Facts? Numbers? Anything? I didn’t think so. So why don’t you STFU? You’re nothing loud mouthed ignorant little cunt.

Mikey wrote:

Wolfman wrote:How did the solar panels get there? Come on Bri. I bet the diesel generators work better at night or on cloudy days.

You might consider reading the article. It mentions something called batteries.
They come from this place called Gigafactory.

That is all well and good. I applaud the experiment, but developing the batterys? Are we not creating more ORNL, Savanaugh River, SNL, IDNL, PNL ... waste sites?

Mikey,

There is that canal/river/pond just outside that factory in the photo you posted.

Would you or your wife, kids, grand-kids go swimming/water ski in that? If the head pooh-bah at the plant said, "Yes, it is clean!"

smackaholic wrote:In the first world, hospitals and other places have backup power systems. They are called generators. Big diesel ones. Can sit unused for extended periods and fire to life instantly. They don't need 10 acres of space either. I suspect that this fancy ass solar array will be vandalized/stolen before long because, well, because it's fukking PR.

This is nothing more than a PR stunt. You fake greenies, of course, will eat it up.

No, it's not the same as conventional portable power sources. It's using a sustainable energy source.

Why are you so angry all the time? The orange clown is in the White House, the GOP controls both houses, Americans are as polarized as they've ever been in our nation's history. The GOP has an effective scheme going where they are using gerrymandering to slowly and unethically seize control of our nation, we have a Education Secretary who is working diligently to privatize public education so they can then defund secular public schools and fund private religious schools. Tiki torch sales are up.

I'd think you'd be turning cartwheels.

atmdad wrote:Mikey,

There is that canal/river/pond just outside that factory in the photo you posted.

Would you or your wife, kids, grand-kids go swimming/water ski in that? If the head pooh-bah at the plant said, "Yes, it is clean!"

You mean that thing called a...shadow?
You’re absolutely right. Anybody trying to ski there would probably end up with a mouthful of dust.

:doh:

atmdad wrote:

Mikey wrote:

Wolfman wrote:How did the solar panels get there? Come on Bri. I bet the diesel generators work better at night or on cloudy days.

You might consider reading the article. It mentions something called batteries.
They come from this place called Gigafactory.

That is all well and good. I applaud the experiment, but developing the batterys? Are we not creating more ORNL, Savanaugh River, SNL, IDNL, PNL ... waste sites?

But, this will be a "green" superfund site, so no worries.

Props to Tesla. Good to see the corporate community stepping up.

Mikey wrote:You’re the one running around saying it doesn’t make sense. And yet there it is. So let’s see what you’ve got. Facts? Numbers? Anything? I didn’t think so. So why don’t you STFU? You’re nothing loud mouthed ignorant little cunt.

Yes, there it is.

How many more are there?

Are there any powering a real 1000 bed hospital with operating rooms and all that stuff?

I doubt it. Such places take no shit, real power. The kind produced by big ass generators, powered either by falling water, splitting atoms or dead dinosaurs.

Believe it or not, I am actually for all this techy stuff. I just realize that it costs money. Money we are borrowing from the chinese or stealing from our great grand kids.

Maybe solar does have a place. Hell it might make sense in your backyard. I would just feel a little better about the whole idea if it stood on its own, financially.

Musk is a pretty smart cookie, but what has he really invented? He didn't invent PV cells. He didn't invent Li Ion batteries. What he has done is figure out how to get Uncle Sugar to give him tractor trailers full of tax dollars.

And what have we gotten?

Really cool EVs for rich people, mostly.

His plans for using Li Ion batteries for mass stationary electron storage will accomplish a few things.

In the short term, it will lower battery prices. But at what cost? I don't know what the world's lithium supply is, but it is finite. If we are going to depend on it to power our portable devices and EVs for the foreseeable future, does it make sense to make huge stationary banks of the stuff when other proven, much heavier options exist? I was reading an article a few months back about using fukking sea water for batteries. Prolly wouldn't work real well for a car or a cell phone, but it might work pretty well someplace like, ohhh, I don't know, maybe PR which happens to be located on a rather large puddle of it.

So rack Tesla, I guess. They put the lights on and fired up a couple dozen dialysis machines at an old folks home somewhere in PR. But those same dollars would have went further using existing portable emergency power systems that have been around for a century.

There is one place I see such a PV/LiIon system making sense and that is in military operations.

The stealth factor of a PV array over a diesel generator makes it worth the $$$$$.

But in a situation like this, a 5000 gallon diesel tanker towing a 20kw gennie on a trailer makes so much more sense. It can be on site and working in a day or two, if not sooner. Then it can be unplugged and moved on to the next site in minutes.

FiatLux wrote:

smackaholic wrote:In the first world, hospitals and other places have backup power systems. They are called generators. Big diesel ones. Can sit unused for extended periods and fire to life instantly. They don't need 10 acres of space either. I suspect that this fancy ass solar array will be vandalized/stolen before long because, well, because it's fukking PR.

This is nothing more than a PR stunt. You fake greenies, of course, will eat it up.

No, it's not the same as conventional portable power sources. It's using a sustainable energy source.

Why are you so angry all the time? The orange clown is in the White House, the GOP controls both houses, Americans are as polarized as they've ever been in our nation's history. The GOP has an effective scheme going where they are using gerrymandering to slowly and unethically seize control of our nation, we have a Education Secretary who is working diligently to privatize public education so they can then defund secular public schools and fund private religious schools. Tiki torch sales are up.

I'd think you'd be turning cartwheels.

Americans sure the fukk are polarized. We always have been to one extent or another, but an area that we had made great progress in, race relations has suffered setbacks over the last decade or so thanks to lefties convincing balcks that they are being hunted down and executed by the po-po and that every conservative out there has a white robe hidden in his closet.

Gerrymandering is a bi-partisan issue. Don't pretend it isn't.

No one in the Administration is trying to seize control of education. The problem is that power was seized, 40 years ago by Jimmah with the establishment of the Dept. of Education. Our locally ran edumacatin' sistum created enough clever folks over a few centuries to make us a world power. We were responsible for the lion's share of technical development throughout the industrial revolution. Won a few world wars, split atoms (with the help of a few eastern euro jews) and put a man on the moon. Well, OK, we used Nazis for that part. Anyhoo, this locally ran system did a pretty fair job. It has gone to shit since. It has problems that lay beyond a federal dept of ed, but that is part of it. As for secular vs religious education systems, up until the 20th century, most all post secondary education was controlled by various religious institutions. Every Ivy league school, and many others were started by churches. Doesn't mean they all developed doctorate programs in snake handling.

In this case it will actually add to the energy production of the power grid after it is back online. You're looking at this as if the emergency is the only thing that PR should be concerned with and not long-term power generation.

atmdad wrote:Are we not creating more...SNL ... waste sites?

The show really has gone downhill since its glory days.

Tesla has a larger carbon footprint than General Motors.

BSmack wrote:In this case it will actually add to the energy production of the power grid after it is back online. You're looking at this as if the emergency is the only thing that PR should be concerned with and not long-term power generation.

Actually, I am looking at this from a somebody has to pay for it point of view along with a there's only so much raw material to make Li Ion batteries in the world and a good bit of it is in places other than the US. Do we want to do a rerun of the oil embargoes twenty years down the road because we squandered that shit now?

PR's problem is that like other 3rd world shitholes, it's power grid is a mess. We don't have the god damn money to set up the entire island like Mikey's house, actually Mikey's place ain't so bad as it feeds a 1th world grid.

If we are going to pour money in there, let's act as though it is our own money. This means repair/update their grid and send a bunch of portable generators there right now. Our military/emergency services systems have plenty of them.

I would be on the phone with generac, Onan and others to equip their hospitals and other emergency facilities right now.

What I really have a hard time understanding is why we are letting the rest of the world get ahead of us on the next generation of nuclear plants which, get this, are powered off the stockpiles of nuke waste we have laying around at shuttered old nuke plants.

Actually, I understand it perfectly. The enviro Nazis have spent a half century convincing us that nuke power is evil and that "renewables" are the future. And folks like Algore are getting rich playing out that sham. Meanwhile the frenchies and others are moving forward with nukes.


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Smackie Chan wrote:

atmdad wrote:Are we not creating more...SNL ... waste sites?

The show really has gone downhill since its glory days.

SNL has more material to work with today than ever. Their problem is that they have been neutered by the PC police as has the rest of the entertainment business. Can you fukking imagine what John Belushi could do with Harvey Weinstein? Could Garett Morrison do "gonna get me a shotgun and kill every whitey I see" today?


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Btw, rack dan akroyd's yellow booted Jimmah Carter, nukluh engineah.


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Left Seater wrote:Props to Tesla. Good to see tax dollars being frivolously pissed away .

Ftfy




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This one time in Kenya after a concert and the power went off, we pulled all the wooofers out of the audio stacks and wired them in parallel, then had all the local jungle bunnies (they have great rhythm when properly motivated) jump to a unison 60 hertz beat on the speaker cones, reverse purposing the whooofers, making them low frequency audio to ac electricity converters while we wired the bomb to the baby carriagexxxxxxx wired the output to the baby hospital and saved the lives of about 30 Nelson mandellas. Rack us. And lucky lately speaker cones are made of Kevlar who would know, so they are almost invulnerable, the locals can make rafts and tents and clothes and stuff out of them after we leave.

Now I ask you Mikey, is that a brilliant energy efficient plan?

FiatLux wrote: Why are you so angry all the time? The orange clown is in the White House, the GOP controls both houses, Americans are as polarized as they've ever been in our nation's history. The GOP has an effective scheme going where they are using gerrymandering to slowly and unethically seize control of our nation, we have a Education Secretary who is working diligently to privatize public education so they can then defund secular public schools and fund private religious schools. Tiki torch sales are up.

I'd think you'd be turning cartwheels.

Welcome to T1B!

Mikey wrote:

atmdad wrote:Mikey,

There is that canal/river/pond just outside that factory in the photo you posted.

Would you or your wife, kids, grand-kids go swimming/water ski in that? If the head pooh-bah at the plant said, "Yes, it is clean!"

You mean that thing called a...shadow?
You’re absolutely right. Anybody trying to ski there would probably end up with a mouthful of dust.

:doh:

:doh: That picture looked different at 11:30 last night after having a few drinks.

Alex, that would be, What are "Things AP has said to himself" ?

smackaholic wrote:What I really have a hard time understanding is why we are letting the rest of the world get ahead of us on the next generation of nuclear plants which, get this, are powered off the stockpiles of nuke waste we have laying around at shuttered old nuke plants.

Actually, I understand it perfectly. The enviro Nazis have spent a half century convincing us that nuke power is evil and that "renewables" are the future. And folks like Algore are getting rich playing out that sham. Meanwhile the frenchies and others are moving forward with nukes.

The world is moving away from your stale beliefs. China is now the largest investor in renewables...why is that? There are Nordic countries that are nearing 100% renewable...how is that?

Nordic states have outstanding hydro power potential. I suspect this is where most of their renewable power comes from. It sure the fukk ain't solar. I am a big fan of hydro. Quebec uses a lot of it as well.


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As for the Chinese being the largest investors in solar, sure, they are getting rich producing them and selling them to us. I am sure they use plenty themselves as they have some areas where they make sense. Believe it or not I actually believe there are places where solar makes a lot of sense. I just don't want my taxes subsidizing it.


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Left Seater wrote:Props to Tesla. Good to see the corporate community stepping up.

Elon got the job done...quickly and efficiently.


Without liberals, this country would be a mess.

He got a small hospital back on line in San Juan. I would like to see the price tag before pronouncing it efficient.


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smackaholic wrote:He got a small hospital back on line in San Juan. I would like to see the price tag before pronouncing it efficient.

He did something. Anybody else done something as quickly and efficiently? Our government? Oops, nope.

smackaholic wrote:He got a small hospital back on line in San Juan. I would like to see the price tag before pronouncing it efficient.


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Because you are always railing against private charity and for the public sector doing such things.