smackaholic wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 9:57 pm
Besides being balck, did that dude have ANY qualifications that might have made him suitable for the job at FAA?
He is the CEO of Denver International Airport. How did he get that job?
He didn't appear to know much about DIA either. Cruz annihilated him.
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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:57 pm
by L45B
HighPlainsGrifter wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:30 pm
He is the CEO of Denver International Airport. How did he get that job?
And yet a 34-time felon, woman rapist, multiple bankruptcied “businessman” and Nazi Socialist of the Fourth Reich is somehow the leader of the free world.
How did he get that job? Shame on you and the countless piles of human excrement who allowed this to happen!
I know Screwey and Diego have my back on this one!!
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Carson wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:33 pm
C'mon Donald, this is not the time to rail against the previous regimes.
I too initially agreed his political screed was cringeworthy. However, as facts roll in, maybe there is a THERE THERE.
Staffing Was ‘Not Normal’ at Reagan Airport Tower, According to F.A.A. Report
The report, reviewed by The New York Times, said that one controller was communicating with both helicopters and planes. Those jobs are typically assigned to two people, not one.
Staffing at the air traffic control tower at Ronald Reagan National Airport was “not normal for the time of day and volume of traffic,” according to an internal preliminary Federal Aviation Administration safety report about the collision that was reviewed by The New York Times.
The controller who was handling helicopters in the airport’s vicinity Wednesday night was also instructing planes that were landing and departing from its runways.
Those jobs typically are assigned to two controllers, rather than one. This increases the workload for the air traffic controller and can complicate the job. One reason is that the controllers can use different radio frequencies to communicate with pilots flying planes and pilots flying helicopters. While the controller is communicating with pilots of the helicopter and the jet, the two sets of pilots may not be able to hear each other.
Like most of the country’s air traffic control facilities, the tower at Reagan airport has been understaffed for years. The tower there was nearly a third below targeted staff levels, with 19 fully certified controllers as of September 2023, according to the most recent Air Traffic Controller Workforce Plan, an annual report to Congress that contains target and actual staffing levels. The targets set by the F.A.A. and the controllers’ union call for 30.
The shortage — caused by years of employee turnover and tight budgets, among other factors — has forced many controllers to work up to six days a week and 10 hours a day.
The F.A.A. did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Welp, those federal employee buyouts ought to help with staffing.
You have a point. Should have been thirty, only had 19, and the budget barely allowed for those 19?
Why are we giving money to Israel and Ukraine instead of budgeting for the needs of home?
Who's in charge of the budget?
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 12:46 am
by smackaholic
The sad thing is that ATC should be way better and way cheaper than it was 40 years ago with today's technology, but, well, it's fed gubmint efficiency for ya.
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 2:24 am
by StrawMan
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 1:50 pm
by smackaholic
This is about the best explanation I have heard yet about what happened.
Basically, a blackhawk flying at a high speed has a big blindspot dead ahead to anything slightly higher.
He also points out that a 500 hr pilot has no business flying in such a tricky environment.
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 1:56 pm
by Left Seater
Have you ever travelled thru Denver Airport? It is often one of the worst in the country. Chronically delayed flights, constant reconstruction of the fear house, trains that don’t work, baggage can take an hour to be returned, not enough parking, car rental area adds another hour, etc.
The CEO should be fired and never allowed to run or lead anything above a gas station.
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 2:04 pm
by Carson
The Denver baggage system was poorly designed to begin with.
Can't speak for the other problems.
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 3:53 pm
by Innocent Bystander
So she's not tranny. They were trying to hide her because she was a Biden White House aide, instead? Ok. Whatever.
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:03 pm
by mvscal
Left Seater wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 1:56 pmHave you ever travelled thru Denver Airport?
Every year when I visit family in Oregon. Honestly, I've never had a problem and have enjoyed the stop. Gives one a chance to grab a beer and a bite to eat with a leisurely migration to the next gate. Maybe it's different for business and/or peak season travelers.
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 6:05 pm
by mvscal
Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 3:53 pmSo she's not tranny. They were trying to hide her because she was a Biden White House aide, instead? Ok. Whatever.
She lost her gig as a White House fluffer and now needed stick time that didn't involve a dick in her face. They were trying to hide her to buy time to scrub her social media would be my guess.
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Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2025 3:53 pmSo she's not tranny. They were trying to hide her because she was a Biden White House aide, instead? Ok. Whatever.
She lost her gig as a White House fluffer and now needed stick time that didn't involve a dick in her face.
Damn, I missed this.
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 8:44 pm
by Mikey
Missed having a dick in your face?
When and why did you give it up?
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 8:58 pm
by Innocent Bystander
Brah
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I'm glad he brought this up: "The crew chief might be conducting a fuel check, where we would also be looking up into the cockpit at the fuel gages and the clock. This CAN lead to moments where all 3 people on the aircraft are all looking inside the aircraft."
Someone else claims they flew without a crew chief on the lefthand side. If there were 3 crew members were there supposed to be four? If 3 is the correct size, what is this dude talking about?
I'm glad he brought this up: "The crew chief might be conducting a fuel check, where we would also be looking up into the cockpit at the fuel gages and the clock. This CAN lead to moments where all 3 people on the aircraft are all looking inside the aircraft."
Someone else claims they flew without a crew chief on the lefthand side. If there were 3 crew members were there supposed to be four? If 3 is the correct size, what is this dude talking about?
My understanding is that 4 is preferred but not mandatory in combat or contested airspace, and 3 is perfectly normal on test or training flights.
I don't have a link for you, but this opinion came from a retired USN Seahawk driver with 1000's of hours on the collective.
He refused to speculate on fault for the collision.
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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:01 am
by Left Seater
I am now hearing unconfirmed information that the American jet increased its pitch just before the collision. This could be a sign that they were attempting to climb right before impact. If this is the case then we will probably hear a call of aircraft or climb or go around.
All speculation based on the unconfirmed info. But it sound plausible. Sadly modern turbofan engines take a bit of time to make power when the power setting is changed. It would take 3 to 5 seconds from recognition to throttle change to actually increasing altitude.
This is why on short runways you feel and hear the engines go to takeoff power before the pilots release the brakes. See also carrier take offs and landings.
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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 5:12 am
by Innocent Bystander
Left Seater wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2025 3:01 am
I am now hearing unconfirmed information that the American jet increased its pitch just before the collision. This could be a sign that they were attempting to climb right before impact. If this is the case then we will probably hear a call of aircraft or climb or go around.
All speculation based on the unconfirmed info. But it sound plausible. Sadly modern turbofan engines take a bit of time to make power when the power setting is changed. It would take 3 to 5 seconds from recognition to throttle change to actually increasing altitude.
This is why on short runways you feel and hear the engines go to takeoff power before the pilots release the brakes. See also carrier take offs and landings.
Here's the leaked video which got two airport employees arrested for releasing it. What does it look like to you?
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:45 pm
by Left Seater
No way to tell from that.
What I can’t wrap my head around is why were helicopters even allowed anywhere near that area? And if there is some need, why aren’t they at 2500 feet?
I also continue to hear media and public say this just shows the airport has too many flights. That is crap. The airport isn’t overcrowded, instead there was a helicopter that crossed the final approach path of a pax plane.
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:33 am
by HighPlainsGrifter
Left Seater wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:45 pm
What I can’t wrap my head around is why were helicopters even allowed anywhere near that area? And if there is some need, why aren’t they at 2500 feet?
My guess, the Army has a bunch of hotheads lane splitting flight patterns like like yobbos on motorbikes.
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 12:58 pm
by dan's college room mate
HighPlainsGrifter wrote:
Left Seater wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2025 1:45 pm
What I can’t wrap my head around is why were helicopters even allowed anywhere near that area? And if there is some need, why aren’t they at 2500 feet?
My guess, the Army has a bunch of hotheads lane splitting flight patterns like like yobbos on motorbikes.
This^^^^.
They’re given vfr permission to pretty much do whatever the fukk they want.
They never should have been anywhere near that area.
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:19 pm
by mvscal
HighPlainsGrifter wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:33 am
My guess, the Army has a bunch of hotheads lane splitting flight patterns like like yobbos on motorbikes.
She was a shit pilot and rusty as all fuck. No idea what the other two idiots were doing. Clearly neither of them were looking out the fucking window.
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2025 10:31 pm
by StrawMan
That training hop was supposed to be a resume builder for the pilot.
She was out of her league and killed 66 innocents.
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 9:57 pm
by Roux
Let's fire hundreds of staff from the Federal Aviation Administration! That will make things better! The remaining ones will do more with less!
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:08 pm
by HighPlainsGrifter
An airplane flipped over in Canada because we don't have enough air traffic controllers in America? Is that what just happened in here?
Christ, Roux, get a grip.
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:19 pm
by Dr_Phibes
'Chariots of the Gods, man. They're falling out of the sky like flies'
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:23 pm
by Dr_Phibes
In fairness, a storm just dumped four feet of snow, there's high winds and whiteouts everywhere. Not a day to be out might have something to do with it.
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:31 pm
by Roux
No, i am not saying that the felon's firings are the cause in fact of this accident.
But I am saying that it, like the firings of the National Nuclear Security Administration workers, is further evidence that we are living in an idiotcracy.
And you'll be ok with all of it, until the leopards actually eat your face.
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:52 pm
by HighPlainsGrifter
Dr_Phibes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:19 pm
'Chariots of the Gods, man. They're falling out of the sky like flies'
Rackit.
Roux wrote: ↑Mon Feb 17, 2025 10:31 pm
No, i am not saying that the felon's firings are the cause in fact of this accident.
Oh, okay. I get it. You're doing that #whatabout thing people around here love so much. MMkay, bro. Do your thing.
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 11:01 pm
by Roux
I'm saying that the mass firings are fucking stupid, and are questionable legally and constitutionally.
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2025 11:13 pm
by HighPlainsGrifter
The Constitution guarantees FAA employee contracts? I had no idea. Is this one of those "Living Document" things?
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 12:59 am
by L45B
Roueaiyx is dead ON!!!
Employees of _________ Administration as well as _________ Administration in general should be completely safe and immune to firings or dissolvings. These are essential workers!
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What I like about this video is how orderly everyone is, no one is trying to get their carryon luggage from the overhead bins, and no one is arguing with the stewardesses.
Must be a midwestern thing.
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Video of the crash. You can clearly see the right wing begin to drop as the plane passes the threshold. The approach besides that looks stable and on glideslope. But the right roll of the aircraft puts the entire weigh of the plane on the right rear landing gear. The right wing tip also hits the ground as we start to see flames.
I wonder if the right gear punctured the wing?
Probably should have gone around when the right roll got to be too much, but easy for me to say sitting here.
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:59 pm
by HighPlainsGrifter
I had a rant about the Bombardier CRJ back at .net. I think it was mvscal who turned me onto this awesome article.
6.) High approach speeds and it lands like a truck
The CRJ-200 lacks any leading edge devices. With a wing originally designed for a smaller jet, approaches are at a high speed and decidedly nose down. We’ve heard it’s not uncommon for a jumpseater to let out a squeal as it looks like it’s going to be a nose gear touchdown until the very last second.
It doesn’t get much better after touchdown. The CRJ lands firm at best. To put it nicely, the jet is stiff. For those poor passengers on the CRJ, even a good landing sounds like a semi-truck that is driving down a dirt road at 140mph.
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:51 pm
by Innocent Bystander
Canadians are more like Europeans than Americans. Not an F bomb dropped in LS's video of the landing. So fucking calm watching its underside burst into flames before flipping in front of them.
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Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:14 pm
by L45B
Innocent Bystander wrote: ↑Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:51 pmSo fucking calm watching its underside burst into flames before flipping in front of them.
