In Case Anyone Gives a Shit

[Smackie Chan]

I'll accept a different answer using different assumptions if it can be defended. But so far no one has been able to. I'd like to see how anyone logically arrives at 60.

The answer is parenthesis are a good thing. Use them.

Proper use of pluralization and agreement between nouns and verbs are also good things, but you have no problem eschewing those. Besides, parentheses are unnecessary here, since there are rules for orders of operation that determine what to do in their absence.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I'm simply explaining how the person who designed the puzzle arrives at their answer

I think we know how they arrived at their answer...through a fundamental misunderstanding of mathematics.

According to my rules:

2+2 = 5
1+1 = eleventy billion
3x2 = garbage disposal

Hey, this is fun! Stuff can be whatever you want it to be!

[Mikey]

I'll accept a different answer using different assumptions if it can be defended. But so far no one has been able to. I'd like to see how anyone logically arrives at 60.

Easy. Open the calculator on your phone.

Enter "5 + 1"
Then enter "=" to check your work
Then enter "x 10 =" to get a final answer of 60

I'm not saying it's correct, but it fairly accurately reflects Scrote's level of thinking.

(Funny - the calculator on my phone is smart enough to know PEMDAS. If you enter "5+1x10=" you get 15. I still say that the "puzzle" is presented so poorly that there is no correct answer.)

[Screw_Michigan]

According to my rules:

2+2 = 5
1+1 = eleventy billion
3x2 = garbage disposal

Hey, this is fun! Stuff can be whatever you want it to be!

We agree!

Sincerely,

The President-Elect, his supporters and his excusers

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

[Mikey]

[Mikey]

According to my rules:

2+2 = 5
1+1 = eleventy billion
3x2 = garbage disposal

Hey, this is fun! Stuff can be whatever you want it to be!

We agree!

Sincerely,


The President-Elect, his supporters and his excusers

Typical libtard snowflake.

[Moving Sale]

SC,
It is algebra because the symbols are unknown until you solve for them and clearly the wine is an unknown so it can't even BE sloved for without using an assumption. That in and of itself makes this an academic exercise not a mathematical equation.
And I picked 60 because the people I wanted to fuck with the most picked 15.

[War Wagon]

I hated algebra in school and still despise any equation that comes close to it. This thread is a gigantic waste of time while I should be watching football.

However, if I can learn one useful tidbit of info I didn't know before, it won't be a total loss.

I simply did the math according to basic universal rules (i.e., PEMDAS).

WTF is PEMDAS?

Feel free to pile on if my ignorance astounds you, but please explain to the point where even a backwoods hillbilly flyover can comprehend.

[Dinsdale]

I'd tell you, but since you hate algebra, I won't.

Hint: It's the Order of Operations.

[atmdad]

WTF is PEMDAS?

[Left Seater]

^^^^^^^^

Rack!


For Wagon, does Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally ring any bells? Or in the Christmas season how about, Pudgy Elves May Demand A Snack. This would be something you should have learned well before 5th grade.

I am sure you fuckers have plenty of other ways to remember order of operations.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I am sure you fuckers have plenty of other ways to remember order of operations.

Police
Enjoy
Mandatory
Diego
Ass
Sex

[Mikey]

Police? I always heard it was pre-teens.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

They don't enjoy it.

[BSmack]

WTF is PEMDAS?

Parentheses
Exponents
Multiplication
Division
Addition
Subtraction

It is the order in which all operations within an algebraic equation are performed. For example if you have the equation 10 - 1 * 8=x, you would multiply 1 by 8 and then subtract that result from 10.

[Smackie Chan]

WTF is PEMDAS?

It is the order in which all operations within an algebraic equation are performed.

Unless one arbitrarily decides it doesn't apply and can't explain why.

[Moving Sale]

Good thing I explained my reasoning or I might have thought you were fucking with me on Xmas :grin:

[Smackie Chan]

Good thing I explained my reasoning or I might have thought you were fucking with me on Xmas :grin:

No, no, I'd never do that, as far as you know. My comment was directed elsewhere, with love and goodwill, of course, since today is Xmas.

For you, I would've played the "Nice white flag" card regarding this comment:

It is algebra because the symbols are unknown until you solve for them and clearly the wine is an unknown so it can't even BE sloved for without using an assumption. That in and of itself makes this an academic exercise not a mathematical equation.

But since this is Xmas, I'll keep that card in the deck.

The fact is this is a simple Facebook-type quiz intended for simpletons to struggle with. All the "there's not enough info to come up with a solution" and "it can't be solved without an assumption" is bullshit. Of course assumptions have to be made. They always do when solving any type of puzzle unless all relevant info is explicitly provided, and as long as the answer can be defended using those assumptions, the solution is valid. The assumptions that need to be made to solve this are simple and reasonable - no fancy footwork required.

My guess is the creator who supposedly gave a "correct" answer of 60 simply solved from left to right w/o taking into account orders of operation. Perhaps there is a legitimate way to arrive at 60 w/o violating any math rules using different assumptions than I did. Or if it's an academic or non-math puzzle, some sort of logic and/or process that results in an answer other than 15 has to be used and explained. I'd just like someone to show me how. I can't get there by using a value for the wine glass other than 1 or assigning different meanings to the symbols. If you or anyone else can, show off that big brain of yours and explain it to me. No one's been able to yet.

Happy Kwanzaa!

[Moving Sale]

You are absolutely right. One can not get to 60 without doing exactly what you did and break rules. Nice to see you finally understand.

[Smackie Chan]

Nice to see you finally understand.

Yeah, I'm the one who finally understands after being told I'm wrong by the person who posted it and having others ('sup, you) give wrong answers and say it's unsolvable and try to introduce square roots into it and say it's a poorly conceived puzzle and that it's an academic rather than math puzzle and...

It's painful being this slow.

[Moving Sale]

So you don't understand. 60 is no more a wrong answer than 15.

[War Wagon]

WTF is PEMDAS?

Parentheses
Exponents
Multiplication
Division
Addition
Subtraction

It is the order in which all operations within an algebraic equation are performed. For example if you have the equation 10 - 1 * 8=x, you would multiply 1 by 8 and then subtract that result from 10.

I knew I'd be sorry for asking but thanks for the straight answer.

Now I can make a clear and honest excuse to my boss of why I suck at creating Excel spread sheets. Once developed, I can use them just fine. Just don't expect me to develop one more complicated than knowing when to use an apostrophe, which I also struggle with.

[Mikey]

WTF is PEMDAS?

Parentheses
Exponents
Multiplication
Division
Addition
Subtraction

It is the order in which all operations within an algebraic equation are performed. For example if you have the equation 10 - 1 * 8=x, you would multiply 1 by 8 and then subtract that result from 10.

I knew I'd be sorry for asking but thanks for the straight answer.

Now I can make a clear and honest excuse to my boss of why I suck at creating Excel spread sheets. Once developed, I can use them just fine. Just don't expect me to develop one more complicated than knowing when to use an apostrophe, which I also struggle with.

You're deplorable.
Merry. Christmas and Happy Holidays, though.

[Smackie Chan]

So you don't understand. 60 is no more a wrong answer than 15.

It's clear to me now. There are no wrong answers. You can say the solution is turnip and still get a trophy.

[Moving Sale]

Well im not sure how you would make it to turnip but nice to see you finally getting it. You are just a little slower to the party. I get it, short busses must drive slower.

[Smackie Chan]

I get it, short busses must drive slower.

Oh, I'm certain you get it, on multiple levels. Not knowing how to pluralize bus will get you a ticket on the short one, as will failure to understand 4th-grade math. And it's common knowledge you're the resident authority on all things short.

But buck up, li'l buddy. What's important is you gave it your best shot, irrespective of its feebleness. And for that, you deserve recognition. Thanks for playing. Here you go, sport.


Congratulations!

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Everybody knows the plural of bus is bussi.

[Mikey]

Bussen

[Smackie Chan]

You guys! What kidders! We all know the same convention used to make one tit two breastesses makes one Greyhound two bussesses.

[Moving Sale]

So now you want to get your ass beat on busses and math. Have at it dumb fuck. If you would made it past 4th grade math or spelling you would know that that problem is not solvable because they have these things in algebra called rules and there isn't one that says a "x" means "times" and you also would have learned ALL the spellings for the plural of bus. Now go piss up a rope tardling.

[Smackie Chan]

Have at it

If you insist. Let's review the tape, shall we? To sum up my position, it has remained constant since

yup

I have not wavered from the position that there is only one defensible answer that results from simple math given the basic assumptions I stated, but that I'd concede there could be other answers, including 60, if someone could demonstrate how it's done without violating any math or logic rules. No one has been able to do that (although I still hold out that it could be possible).

60

That would indicate to me and any reasonable person that you believed it was a solvable puzzle, and that you had computed your solution by considering the symbol "x" to mean "times" and had arrived at your solution by operating from left to right w/o considering math's accepted order of operations rules.

"x" is never used in algebra to represent "times" so this is an academic question not a mathematical one.

So your position changed from it being a solvable math puzzle with an answer of 60 to an academic question without offering an alternate answer. Until...

the symbols are unknown until you solve for them and clearly the wine is an unknown so it can't even BE sloved for without using an assumption. That in and of itself makes this an academic exercise not a mathematical equation.

So now it's not just an academic question, but an unsolvable academic question. Yet I and others solved it, I satisfactorily defended the answer, and no one has been able to invalidate it by showing that the assumptions, processes, and rules I used were in error.

I picked 60 because the people I wanted to fuck with the most picked 15.

Uh huh.

You are absolutely right. One can not get to 60 without doing exactly what you did and break rules.

I'm guessing life is tough when you have fewer IQ points than inches (or meters, for that matter) in stature, so I do have some sympathy for you. But once you admit that I am "absolutely right" and my position differs from yours, it pretty much serves as a concession.

60 is no more a wrong answer than 15.

Jeebus, Corky, you're a hot mess who's all over the place. First it's 60, then it's academic, then it's unsolvable, then you were just fuckin' with people, then there can be multiple right answers. Seems you've covered most of the bases except the right answer. I expect your next response to be "if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit." I'd go with that, frankly, since it at least worked.

they have these things in algebra called rules and there isn't one that says a "x" means "times"

Interesting. The folks who make calculators must've never gotten the memo.

I'm guessing the calculator on your phone also has a button with an "X" on it that, when used as an operator, multiplies the number entered before it's pushed by the number entered afterward. But you might want to check to be sure. Oh wait, never mind. You'd have to know your times tables to check it, and that's a bit advanced for you, Skippy. My bad.

you also would have learned ALL the spellings for the plural of bus.

You get a point for that one, although...

In 21st-century English, buses is the preferred plural of the noun bus. Busses appears occasionally, and dictionaries list it as a secondary spelling, but it's been out of favor for over a century. This is true in all main varieties of English.

So you avoided the shutout, but still have reserved seats on all short busses.

[War Wagon]

After having a stroke 3 years ago, I have a selective, seemingly random memory. For instance, I can remember the most minute details of stuff I did 30 years ago on a vacation but not be able to remember what I had for lunch yesterday. Weird, right? My wife never fails to point out such recent memory loss.

The point being that if by chance I somehow forget not to get in a debate with SC, somebody be quick to remind me.

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

I was told there would be no math.

Happy Hanukkah friends.

[Mikey]

Hey TWIS.
Happy Hanukkah to you too.
Spin a dreidel for The Trolls.

The funny thing about this whole thread is that nobody gives a shit.

[Cornhusker]

After having a stroke 3 years ago, I have a selective, seemingly random memory. For instance, I can remember the most minute details of stuff I did 30 years ago on a vacation but not be able to remember what I had for lunch yesterday. Weird, right? My wife never fails to point out such recent memory loss.

Good Lord...I musta had a stroke!!!
I just don't know when.
And here I blame it on alcohol and brats.

What were we talking about?

[War Wagon]

After having a stroke 3 years ago, I have a selective, seemingly random memory. For instance, I can remember the most minute details of stuff I did 30 years ago on a vacation but not be able to remember what I had for lunch yesterday. Weird, right? My wife never fails to point out such recent memory loss.

Good Lord...I musta had a stroke!!!
I just don't know when.
And here I blame it on alcohol and brats.

What were we talking about?

Bwah... but probably not a stroke, Cornhusker.

If you wake up in the emergency room with the entire left side of your body paralyzed, then you might have had a stroke.

What you and I and half of T1B might have now is the early symptoms of Alzheimer's or seizure warnings.

If your doctor hasn't prescribed you Keppra or the generic equivalent, demand it on your next office visit... before you forget.