Something to help us bridge our political differences

[Dinsdale]

The Trans Pacific Trade Pact.

I won't even link to any articles about it, lest the "right/left wing media" whining commences. Do your own research -- read a liberal article, read a conservative one, it doesn't matter.

The Overlords have decided that countries like Vietnam now have a say in American law, and will be given power to overturn the laws they don't like.

Since free-trade agreements have worked out so well for the US (thanks, Clinton, for destroying the economy), we should probably expand the policy and expect a different result.

What in the hell is wrong with us Americans? Is it "shoot all the politicians" time yet?

[Wolfman]

If it does not help our economy, we should avoid this like the plague. I guess the current administration is doing it well enough by themselves.

[The Seer]

What in the hell is wrong with us Americans? Is it "shoot all the politicians" time yet?

Been that time for quite some time....

[Left Seater]

How is the trade agreement that Obama wanted with Korea going? Oh yeah, completely opposite of what he told us it would do. Pretty much just like Obamacare. Only he hasn't said he was sorry yet for the Korea deal.

[Dr_Phibes]

Since free-trade agreements have worked out so well for the US (thanks, Clinton, for destroying the economy), we should probably expand the policy and expect a different result.

What in the hell is wrong with us Americans? Is it "shoot all the politicians" time yet?

Mexico was supposed to be the labour, you were the brains and Canada supplied the resources. Didn't happen, a 63 cent Canadian dollar was the result. The idea was keep it low to preserve manufacture, no-one saw that coming

[LTS TRN 2]

Why are you pretending to complain, dins?

The TPP, which you pretend to assail, is exactly what you wind-up Tea Bagger assholes have been supporting all along--just by supporting the wind-up right-wing radio hackdom gibberish (which you spew automatically).

And now...what? You're pretending to be anti-corporate?

How utterly false and hollow can you actually be? Well..how about completely.

[The Seer]

The only thing that will save this country is drawing a line at the 40th parallel and sending all the liberals to live north of it and all the conservatives south of it. Let the two sides form their own governments, collect their own taxes and provide for their own citizens out of what they produce.

What this country needs is a divorce. 238 years was a good run, time to start over

Divorce seems kind of harsh...maybe with counseling we could settle for a civil war every 150 years to blow off steam.

[Left Seater]

The only thing that will save this country is drawing a line at the 40th parallel and sending all the liberals to live north of it and all the conservatives south of it. Let the two sides form their own governments, collect their own taxes and provide for their own citizens out of what they produce.

What this country needs is a divorce. 238 years was a good run, time to start over

I bet a bunch, both north and south of that line would take that deal today. Problem on both sides would be Cali. We could just gift it to Mexico under a condition where they continue to farm it and then split the production between the north and south for say the next 100 years.

[BSmack]

Mexico was supposed to be the labour, you were the brains and Canada supplied the resources.

The PM should have watched some American TV before signing off on that idea.

[Mikey]

The only thing that will save this country is drawing a line at the 40th parallel and sending all the liberals to live north of it and all the conservatives south of it. Let the two sides form their own governments, collect their own taxes and provide for their own citizens out of what they produce.

What this country needs is a divorce. 238 years was a good run, time to start over

I bet a bunch, both north and south of that line would take that deal today. Problem on both sides would be Cali. We could just gift it to Mexico under a condition where they continue to farm it and then split the production between the north and south for say the next 100 years.

Are you really this stupid, or just trolling?

I realize this whole thing is facetious but California's GDP (both total and agricultural output) dwarfs Mexico's, with about 1/3 the population.

In reality, California should split off as its own country, with Mexico as a source of labor and names for new streets.

[Dinsdale]

In reality, California should split off as its own country

In reality, california would have no prayer of paying off its massive debt on its own.

[Mikey]

In reality, California should split off as its own country

In reality, california would have no prayer of paying off its massive debt on its own.

Not sure what you're getting at here, but the majority of that debt is owed within the state, so what does it have to do with splitting off?

Also, California ships a boatload more money off to Washington than it gets back in services, so we'd be on the plus side in that regard.

[The Seer]

Also, California ships a boatload more money off to Washington than it gets back in services, so we'd be on the plus side in that regard.

Dems not looking out for Dems?

[The Seer]

Problem on both sides would be Cali. We could just gift it to Mexico under a condition where they continue to farm it and then split the production between the north and south for say the next 100 years.

Been already gifted.

[Mikey]

Also, California ships a boatload more money off to Washington than it gets back in services, so we'd be on the plus side in that regard.

Dems not looking out for Dems?

Nope.

Most of the red states take back a lot more than they ship out, so really a gift from the Dems to the Knuckledraggers.

[LTS TRN 2]

How do you Limpdick legionaries get so automatically twisted into this "liberal" versus "conservative" nonsense?

First, is anyone here actually referring to Ted Cruz as a "conservative"? I mean, is this how deformed the issue has become? Because of course he's no conservative, but rather an extreme right-wing radical.

More to the point, are you dittoheads actually familiar with the TPP and what it directly mandates, and whom it directly benefits?

Or are you just on auto-bile mode?

[Left Seater]

Most of the red states take back a lot more than they ship out, so really a gift from the Dems to the Knuckledraggers.

Good line, but why do the stats show it to be pretty even, especially near the top?


http://247wallst.com/special-report/201 ... ral-money/

[Derron]

Not sure what you're getting at here, but the majority of that debt is owed within the state, so what does it have to do with splitting off?

That is because nobody else is stupid enough to write any paper on the California ponzi scheme. We call those junk bonds/ junk debt. As long as it is only your state that goes down in flames, the rest of us are good with that.

[M2]

Good line, but why do the stats show it to be pretty even, especially near the top?


http://247wallst.com/special-report/201 ... ral-money/

Why are you Republicans... so fucking stupid ?


It's starting to hurt my head, again.



This from your boys... at "The American Conservative".







http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... cent-live/






Oh yeah,


The top 10 Sponges ...



1. New Mexico ... Indian reservations, military bases, federal research labs, farm subsidies, retirement programs

2. Mississippi ... Farm subsidies, military spending, nutrition and anti-poverty aid, retirement programs.

3. Alaska ... Per capita No 1 recipient of federal benefits; infrastructure projects, DOT and pork projects.

4. Louisiana ... Disaster relief, farm subsidies, anti-poverty and nutrition aid, military spending.

5. W. Virginia ... Farm subsidies, anti-poverty and nutrition aid.

6. N. Dakota ... Farm subsidies, energy subsidies, retirement and anti-poverty programs, Indian reservations.

7. Alabama ... Retirement programs, anti-poverty and nutrition aid, federal space/military spending, farm subsidies.

8. S. Dakota ... Retirement programs, nutrition aid, farm subsidies, military spending, Indian reservations.

9. Virginia ... Civil service pensions, military spending, veterans benefits, retirement, anti-poverty aid.

10. Kentucky ... Retirement programs, nutritional and anti-poverty aid, farm subsidies.






Now consider the 10 states that give more to the federal government in taxes than they get in return.


New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, Colorado.





From the nonpartisan Tax Foundation: http://taxfoundation.org/staff

[Mikey]

Most of the red states take back a lot more than they ship out, so really a gift from the Dems to the Knuckledraggers.

Good line, but why do the stats show it to be pretty even, especially near the top?


http://247wallst.com/special-report/201 ... ral-money/

You really are that stupid, aren't you. Don't they teach simple arithmetic in Texas schools anymore?

In simple mathematical terms:

(money out) minus (money in) does not equal (money in)

[M2]

More than 4 million Californians voted for Romney. You would just take all the dims in frisco and move them 70 miles or so north.

The conservatives in California are the ones who make everything,

[mvscal]

First, is anyone here actually referring to Ted Cruz as a "conservative"? I mean, is this how deformed the issue has become? Because of course he's no conservative, but rather an extreme right-wing radical.

Please describe, in your own words and in specific detail, what makes Cruz "radical" and "extreme."

[Left Seater]

Mikey, my math is fine.

24/7 Wall St. identified the states that get the most money from the federal government by taking the figures for federal expenditures in each state from the 2010 Consolidated Federal Funds report and subtracting from it the taxes retained by the federal government for each state for the same year. The values obtained were then divided by state population figures for 2010 from the census bureau to arrive at a per capita figure for each state.


However, if you just want to look at basic numbers that's fine too. So when the conservatives say we need to cut spending they are cutting spending more in their backyard than yours. Why would you have an issue with that?

[M2]

my math is fine.

I laughed.

[Mikey]

In reality, California should split off as its own country

In reality, california would have no prayer of paying off its massive debt on its own.

What's Oregon's debt, per capita, vs. California's?

[Dinsdale]

In reality, California should split off as its own country

In reality, california would have no prayer of paying off its massive debt on its own.

What's Oregon's debt, per capita, vs. California's?

Less.

[Mikey]

What's Oregon's debt, per capita, vs. California's?

Less.

Not by much.

[Left Seater]

According to Reuters and The Huffington Post Dins is correct.

The ten states with the highest Debt per capita are:

10. Oregon $2,960
9. Rhode Island $3,000
8. Delaware $3,026
7. Massachusetts $3,040
6. California $3,060
5. New Mexico $3,144
4. North Dakota $3,181
3. New Jersey $4,217
2. Hawaii $4,755
1. Connecticut $5,402

[Mikey]

Like I said, not by much.

[Felix]

we almost made it...sincerely Idaho

look, we've got a pretty big state with a lot of roads and not much in the way of population....

naturally we're going to need more help from the Feds for doing things like highway construction, bridge repair, etc.......unless of course you'd prefer to be driving down the road at 65 dodging chunks of flying asphalt.....so many of our roads are in terrible shape and there are a bunch of bridges in this state you'd never catch me driving across.....

http://www.khq.com/story/22417636/idaho ... -deficient