McCain's Veep

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:41 pm

mvscal wrote: A little bit different than unsourced rumor/deliberately made up bullshit.

then I'd expect she'd be filing a defamation lawsuit against the Enquirer any minute

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:50 pm

If she doesn't file suit against them, then she's doing a great disservice to those who might similarly be targeted by unfounded lies and speculation

it's her duty

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:53 pm

Sarah Palin wrote: Terrorist states are seeking new-clear weapons without delay ...

I suppose that’s a step up from “nuke-you-ler.”

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:57 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
Sarah Palin wrote: Terrorist states are seeking new-clear weapons without delay ...

"Day-um. Aced out of another potential big moneymaker."

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:02 pm

mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:Edwards was cornered nearly a year after the Enquirer made it's first report.
The bottom line remains that he was cornered. Feel free to revisit when you have some actual evidence.

No, the bottom line is they got the story right. And if they got this one right about Palin, look for them to dare McCain's lawyers to file a suit.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:09 pm

Felix wrote:If she doesn't file suit against them, then she's doing a great disservice to those who might similarly be targeted by unfounded lies and speculation

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/03 ... 3030.shtml

There you go.

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:19 pm

Since when did you fuckface liberals start caring about extra-marital affairs?

Q, West Coast Style · Post by **Q, West Coast Style** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:24 pm

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index ... ender-card

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:31 pm

Diogenes wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/03 ... 3030.shtml

There you go.

threatening a lawsuit is one thing
actually filing a lawsuit is all together different

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:35 pm

Sirfindafold wrote:Since when did you fuckface liberals start caring about extra-marital affairs?

They don't. They're just desperate to destroy Palin by any means nessecary.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:48 pm

Q, West Coast Style wrote:http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index ... ender-card

damn, that's funny

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:53 pm

Felix wrote:
Q, West Coast Style wrote:http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index ... ender-card
damn, that's funny

And more than likely taken out of context - but I'd need to research the comments. Obama's situation is that he needed somebody with experience to make his ticket look more appealing and experienced. McCain has more experience than Obama so his "experience" hasn't been called into question.

The funniest thing is that Palin actually has more experience being where the buck stops than Obama does.

Stewart is a douche of the highest order anyway, he's a used, foul, unclean douche.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:53 pm

Diogenes wrote:
Sirfindafold wrote:Since when did you fuckface liberals start caring about extra-marital affairs?
They don't. They're just desperate to destroy Palin by any means nessecary.

wrong, I couldn't care less about whether she was getting porked by her husband's business partner, just like I don't particularly care whether her daughter is pregnant or not

the bottom line is when she interjects her family into the discussion (e.g. her four or five references to her son going to Iraq), she can't turn around and become indignant when her pregnant daughter is brought into the discussion

the door swings both ways

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:55 pm

Tom In VA wrote:
And more than likely taken out of context

yeah, those Karl Rove statements were obviously taken out of context

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:55 pm

Precisely. And if she's been honest, and forthright about all - she will withstand the attacks.

But the tactic is already backfiring and being called into question by DNC strategists anyway, at least according to Geoge Snuffalufagous.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:56 pm

Felix wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:
And more than likely taken out of context
yeah, those Karl Rove statements were obviously taken out of context

I don't know if they were or weren't. They could have been. Do you have more information than what is available on the Stewart video ?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:57 pm

Felix wrote:threatening a lawsuit is one thing
actually filing a lawsuit is all together different

They will never file a lawsuit. No way in the world does the McCain campaign open Palin's life history to the Enquirer during discovery. No way, no how.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:59 pm

Let's just step back...and take a deep breath.

regardless of your "political" stripe--and beyond the tedious racist taunts and general shallow smears of the Rove Monkeys--babs/Dio/cuda (all the same person, but you knew that)--there really is no true political theory advocated or discussed here--we must all just hold on a minute and think....

Are you in any way whatsoever serious in actually considering this bitchy wind-up moron small-town hack as an actual world leader? Because....?

In other words, you can't be serious. The notion that Christer cult issues such as abortion, teaching Creationism in schools, praying, etc., are somehow important to this election--to the real situation in the world--is patently absurd. Brood Mare, you noticed, had nothing whatsoever to say about the economy. And McBush is worse. His demented theories have been proven disastrous for many years--from Reagan onwards. And you DID notice that when ol' gramps toddled on stage following her annoying speech, he looked very much like a man with about a year to live.

If she has more scandals, bring them out. Let Troopergate unfold to its (pretty clear) damning conclusion. Let Rusp Limpdick hoot and holler like the stupid fat hillbilly he is, and then let the repairing and healing of America--at home and abroad--ensue under the proper and capable administration of 'Bama and Biden.

WW

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:59 pm

Tom In VA wrote:Geoge Snuffalufagous.

Nice.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:03 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:had nothing whatsoever to say about the economy.

Patently false.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:12 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:The creationism thing alone spooks me greatly. Makes me question her sanity.

As well you should.

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:13 pm

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:15 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:The creationism thing alone spooks me greatly. Makes me question her sanity.

"teach the controversy" is their mantra, even though within the scientific community there is no controversy save for the 3 Christer "scientists" the creationists continually roll out

JayDuck · Post by **JayDuck** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:32 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:The creationism thing alone spooks me greatly. Makes me question her sanity.

Her creationism beliefs look like the height of sanity compared to the fact that, up until 6 years ago, she belonged to an Assembely of God church that practices speaking in tongues.

From the 2001 Wasilla Assembly of God webpage...

Wasilla Assembly of God

...the Bible is the inspired and only infallible and authoritative Word of God.
...Jesus Christ is the only Divine Son of God
...man is inherently sinful and in need of the grace of God
...salvation is by the grace through faith in Jesus Christ, apart from works.
...the Baptism in the Holy Spirit with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues is given to believers who ask for it.
...in Miracles of Divine healing in response to the prayer of faith.
...in the imminent return of Jesus for all Christians

http://web.archive.org/web/200211281946 ... illaag.org

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:51 pm

Well, yes babs/Dio/cuda, they do in so far as damning every non-Christer cultist to hell. As for the race propagation biz, hmmm, looks like a freakin' maternity ward between Brood Mare, her daughters, inbred kids, fawning Stepford Wife (Cindy), etc.

JayDuck · Post by **JayDuck** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:52 pm

mvscal wrote: Do they God Damn America and espouse white supremacy?

No. They God Damn Bush's critics and spout Jews deserve to get bombed rhetoric.

But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:54 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
JayDuck wrote: ...in Miracles of Divine healing in response to the prayer of faith.

She should be able to fix that new Downs syndrome kid of hers.

Wow nice one, archive that one personally.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:59 pm

Tom In VA wrote:
Sudden Sam wrote:
JayDuck wrote: ...in Miracles of Divine healing in response to the prayer of faith.

She should be able to fix that new Downs syndrome kid of hers.

Wow nice one, archive that one personally.

not as ridiculous as it sounds after all they believe

...in Miracles of Divine healing in response to the prayer of faith.

maybe she's not praying hard enough

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:02 pm

We're a rough bunch Sam, I know. I'm just fucking with ya a bit.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:33 pm

Martyred wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
If she can beat off...
Now that would have kept her daughter out of a lot of trouble...

Done and DONE!

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:53 pm

Jay in Phoenix wrote:Alright, since this subject is still open...

A straight up pair of questions, especially for Wags, mvs, Tom and Poptart.

If your wife or daughter were the victim of rape and subsequently got pregnant, and given the horrific emotional scarring that comes with such a violation, would you force her to carry said child to term? Even against her will? Think about this before reacting and try not to speak for them, especially if you haven't discussed this with them beforehand. And remember, how someone feels when they aren't a victim is a far cry from how they would feel IF they became a victim.

I can't "force" my daughter to clean her fucking room, I doubt I'd have much luck forcing her to have a baby she didn't want. I wouldn't even try. I'd simply support any decision she made, but knowing her feelings/beliefs on abortion and children in general, she'd probably have that child and then put it up for adoption.

Question number two. If your wife or daughter had a 90 plus percentage chance of dying due to a childbirth, especially one in which a fetus might not survive the birth anyway, would you take that gamble on her life? And let's not get caught up in the percentages, these things do occur.

Again, not my decision... but if it were, I'd say to abort.

Don't misunderstand me, I realize there are very real circumstances where an abortion seems like the best alternative. And no, just because the child may be born into abject poverty isn't one of those circumstances. But like trev noted, most occur as a matter of convenience... a routine procedure no more serious than having a wart removed. That's what I'm dead set against. I'm also against any public funding of abortion.

Abortion is one of those issues that can be debated effectively from either position. But at the end of the day, I believe that a human life is just too damn miraculously precious to flippantly discard under any but the most extreme circumstance.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:13 pm

Hey, thanks Wags.

Once again, I do appreciate the well thought out and serious replies. It is by no means an issue I take lightly. It is so easy to be flippant or view something through blinders. And on this matter, there are no easy answers. It is different for everybody. Life is precious, and while I personally don't view abortion as an act of murder, at least not in black and white terms, I don't disregard those that do see it as such. And of course, putting a child born out of rape up for adoption is not only an act of courage, it is also one of mercy.

Abortion is a choice of absolute last resort, but a choice that under specific circumstances, must be, at the very least, considered.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:22 pm

Where's LabRat?

I remember having this debate with him at TNW where he cleaned my clock in a 12 round TKO.

It was pretty much over when he posted a line something like this:

"Don't like abortion? Don't frigging have one".

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:40 pm

It's official....

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:01 am

Diogenes wrote:It's official....

What's official? That I want to blast my mayo into her grill?

Well, duh...

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:03 am

trev wrote:
Jay in Phoenix wrote:Alright, since this subject is still open...

A straight up pair of questions, especially for Wags, mvs, Tom and Poptart.

If your wife or daughter were the victim of rape and subsequently got pregnant, and given the horrific emotional scarring that comes with such a violation, would you force her to carry said child to term? Even against her will? Think about this before reacting and try not to speak for them, especially if you haven't discussed this with them beforehand. And remember, how someone feels when they aren't a victim is a far cry from how they would feel IF they became a victim.

Question number two. If your wife or daughter had a 90 plus percentage chance of dying due to a childbirth, especially one in which a fetus might not survive the birth anyway, would you take that gamble on her life? And let's not get caught up in the percentages, these things do occur.

So then, what is your choice? Honest answers please.
How about we start with stop killing babies out of convenience, then we'll tackle this issue.

RACK!

Jay, you've put forth two situations which are NOT present in probably well over 95% of abortion cases.
You've tried to muddy the issue by going off into these extreme cases.
It's a bullshit tactic designed to divert from the fact that 'pro-choice' dipshits have NO rational counter for the reality that life begins at conception.

1. No good answer here. I could not force my wife or daughter to carry the child to term if that was not her wish.

2. I might recommend terminating the pregnancy in this case.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:07 am

Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right, here I am
Stuck in the middle with you
Yes I'm stuck in the middle with you
And I'm wondering what it is I should do
It's so hard to keep this smile from my face
Losing control, yeah, I'm all over the place

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:08 am

Diogenes wrote:It's official....

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:04 am

poptart wrote: Jay, you've put forth two situations which are NOT present in probably well over 95% of abortion cases.
You've tried to muddy the issue by going off into these extreme cases.
It's a bullshit tactic designed to divert from the fact that 'pro-choice' dipshits have NO rational counter for the reality that life begins at conception.

Be that as it may, it was still a reasonable question.

We're on the same page 'tart, but if our 'side' is going to unequivocably state that "abortion is murder, period"... which we have, then those questions are bound to follow and deserve serious answers

Jay asked in a very well thought out way, no bullshit tactics whatsoever.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:09 am

Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right
Here I am, Stuck in the middle with you.
Well you started out with nothing and you're proud that you're a
Self made man
And your friends, they all come crawlin, slap you on the back and say
Please.... Please.....